B-Man Posted September 29 Posted September 29 (edited) What we know about the suspect in the deadly Michigan church shooting By Dennis Romero The person accused in a fatal shooting and fire Sunday at a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Grand Blanc Township, Michigan, is a 40-year-old area man with a military background. Thomas Jacob Sanford is from Burton, a city of nearly 30,000 people roughly 6 miles from Grand Blanc Township. Both are suburbs of Flint. Police said the attacker rammed the church with a vehicle, got out and opened fire with an assault rifle. James Deir, special agent in charge of the Detroit Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said he also appears to have used an accelerant to start a fire. At least four people were killed in the attack, two of whom were shot, and eight were injured. Officers killed Sanford in a parking lot behind the church, police said. The FBI’s special agent in charge of the bureau's Detroit field office, Reuben Coleman, said Sunday night that the bureau is looking for a motive. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-we-know-thomas-jacob-sanford-suspect-michigan-church-shooting-rcna234309 For the coward Roundabout (who didn't provide a link or context) as usual. An image uploaded to Facebook in 2019 shows Thomas Jacob Sanford wearing a “TRUMP 2020” shirt. The image was uploaded to “Brantlee’s Journey,” a page that provides updates on Sanford’s son Brantlee and his battle with congenital hyperinsulinism, a rare condition where the insulin cells of the pancreas create too much insulin. As of Sunday night there had been no motive established in the investigation, nor had there been any suggestion from authorities that Sanford’s political views or his son’s condition played a role in his thinking. No "maga" connection since But that doesn't matter !! Even if he was full blown "Trumper" the point is that churches and faith in this country is under attack ADDED: Well what do you know, while I was typing Round posted a vague link reference. I would refer you to my "thoughts" above. Edited September 29 by B-Man
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted September 29 Posted September 29 5 minutes ago, B-Man said: What we know about the suspect in the deadly Michigan church shooting By Dennis Romero The person accused in a fatal shooting and fire Sunday at a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Grand Blanc Township, Michigan, is a 40-year-old area man with a military background. Thomas Jacob Sanford is from Burton, a city of nearly 30,000 people roughly 6 miles from Grand Blanc Township. Both are suburbs of Flint. Police said the attacker rammed the church with a vehicle, got out and opened fire with an assault rifle. James Deir, special agent in charge of the Detroit Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said he also appears to have used an accelerant to start a fire. At least four people were killed in the attack, two of whom were shot, and eight were injured. Officers killed Sanford in a parking lot behind the church, police said. The FBI’s special agent in charge of the bureau's Detroit field office, Reuben Coleman, said Sunday night that the bureau is looking for a motive. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-we-know-thomas-jacob-sanford-suspect-michigan-church-shooting-rcna234309 For the coward Roundabout (who didn't provide a link or context) as usual. An image uploaded to Facebook in 2019 shows Thomas Jacob Sanford wearing a “TRUMP 2020” shirt. The image was uploaded to “Brantlee’s Journey,” a page that provides updates on Sanford’s son Brantlee and his battle with congenital hyperinsulinism, a rare condition where the insulin cells of the pancreas create too much insulin. As of Sunday night there had been no motive established in the investigation, nor had there been any suggestion from authorities that Sanford’s political views or his son’s condition played a role in his thinking. No "maga" connection since But that doesn't matter !! Even if he was full blown "Trumper" the point is that churches and faith in this country is under attack Was he a Jan 5er that Trump pardoned? Probably
The Frankish Reich Posted September 29 Posted September 29 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: the point is that churches and faith in this country is under attack Is that the point? How do we know he wasn't an evangelical Christian who thought the Mormons were perverting Christ's message and destroying their members' path to salvation? In other words, a religious warrior? How do we know he didn't despise Mormons because Utah Gov Spencer Cox - a Mormon - gave a measured and mature response to the Charlie Kirk killing? Did Dylan Roof murder members of a black church because he hated religion? Or because he hated black people? Or because he was a highly disturbed young man clearly on the autism spectrum? Did the Minnesota would-be serial assassin kill because he was extremely religious and thought he victims were not sufficiently religious, i.e. heathens? Since @Joe Ferguson forever is on a little logical fallacy kick, I'll point out that this one is called the Narrative Fallacy. We want random and particularly evil events to be explained by something, well, explainable. Me too. I blame a sick culture in general, and not limited to one side of the political spectrum or the other. 2
Roundybout Posted September 29 Posted September 29 My gut feeling, based on the OTHER shooting yesterday, was that this had something to do with QAnon.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted September 29 Posted September 29 46 minutes ago, Roundybout said: My gut feeling, based on the OTHER shooting yesterday, was that this had something to do with QAnon. Maybe he was angry over Trump's proposal to ban Trans people from having guns
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 29 Posted September 29 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: Is that the point? How do we know he wasn't an evangelical Christian who thought the Mormons were perverting Christ's message and destroying their members' path to salvation? In other words, a religious warrior? How do we know he didn't despise Mormons because Utah Gov Spencer Cox - a Mormon - gave a measured and mature response to the Charlie Kirk killing? Did Dylan Roof murder members of a black church because he hated religion? Or because he hated black people? Or because he was a highly disturbed young man clearly on the autism spectrum? Did the Minnesota would-be serial assassin kill because he was extremely religious and thought he victims were not sufficiently religious, i.e. heathens? Since @Joe Ferguson forever is on a little logical fallacy kick, I'll point out that this one is called the Narrative Fallacy. We want random and particularly evil events to be explained by something, well, explainable. Me too. I blame a sick culture in general, and not limited to one side of the political spectrum or the other. trying to make a point: we all use fallacies but some use them almost exclusively. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 29 Posted September 29 2 hours ago, T master said: Of course the lame stream media can't forget to stick the Trump thing in there OMG it wouldn't be a story if it wasn't just that the person was a total basket case or just plain bat ***** crazy there has to be that link - WTF !!! Got to make it political at all costs ! Could it be that the guy had PTSD from being in a useless war that our gov't sent them over to fight or that he just hates the Mormon religion and doesn't believe at all in their doctrine ? NOPE IT'S A TRUMP THING BY GOD !!!! ALL VIOLENCE LEADS TO TRUMP .... WTFE . You’re right of course, who knows what’s in this guys history that yields this sort of madness. Can’t control the media narrative and the commercial press, they’re going to sell what they sell to people who buy what they sell. I believe more than ever we should treat the areas where we can find common ground with those on the other side of the aisle as fertile ground. Frankish may well be one of those pony-tail and bowtie wearing libs with a penchant for grandiose oration, but he’s correct here. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 29 Posted September 29 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: You are the one who brought up demographics lol. That’s why I was talking about it. I brought up a demographic to counter your demographic claim. Wow. I brought up demographics. You brought up subsets of demographics within Chicago 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: You are the one who brought up demographics lol. That’s why I was talking about it. I brought up a demographic to counter your demographic claim. Wow. so your point is that demographics matter in the comparison of homicide rates. Wasn't that my point?
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted September 29 Posted September 29 3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You’re right of course, who knows what’s in this guys history that yields this sort of madness. Can’t control the media narrative and the commercial press, they’re going to sell what they sell to people who buy what they sell. I believe more than ever we should treat the areas where we can find common ground with those on the other side of the aisle as fertile ground. Frankish may well be one of those pony-tail and bowtie wearing libs with a penchant for grandiose oration, but he’s correct here. I think the right wing media is more influential and powerful than the "Liberal" media
The Frankish Reich Posted September 29 Posted September 29 3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You’re right of course, who knows what’s in this guys history that yields this sort of madness. Can’t control the media narrative and the commercial press, they’re going to sell what they sell to people who buy what they sell. I believe more than ever we should treat the areas where we can find common ground with those on the other side of the aisle as fertile ground. Frankish may well be one of those pony-tail and bowtie wearing libs with a penchant for grandiose oration, but he’s correct here. Well, I'm blessed with a basically full head of hair even at my advancing age, but it has always stubbornly refused to grow straight enough to do the ponytail thing. I'm sure I'd have tried it if I could. And I never learned how to tie a bowtie. But as for grandiose oration? Yeah, I got that down.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 29 Posted September 29 Just now, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: I think the right wing media is more influential and powerful than the "Liberal" media You probably would think that, that doesn’t surprise me in the least. If we can agree you’re koo koo for Cocoa Puffs, that would be more fertile ground!
The Frankish Reich Posted September 29 Posted September 29 By the way, who is getting this Mormon Church attack thing right, without idle speculation about What It All Means and Is It Trump or Anti-Trump? The mainstream media. NYT: Federal investigators are searching homes connected with the man who the police say killed at least four people over the weekend in an attack on a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints meeting house in Michigan, and are seeking clues to the attacker’s motive, the White House press secretary said on Monday. WSJ goes even more bland: The suspect, who died, is Thomas Jacob Sanford, 40 years old, from the nearby city of Burton, Mich., police said. A Marine Corps spokesman said Sanford served from 2004 to 2008, deploying to Iraq in 2007 and 2008, and had the rank of sergeant. He had longstanding ties to the area, and according to public records was married to a woman named Tella. They had a young son. Bland can be good. 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted September 29 Posted September 29 1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You probably would think that, that doesn’t surprise me in the least. If we can agree you’re koo koo for Cocoa Puffs, that would be more fertile ground! I don't eat a lot of sugar Just now, The Frankish Reich said: By the way, who is getting this Mormon Church attack thing right, without idle speculation about What It All Means and Is It Trump or Anti-Trump? The mainstream media. NYT: Federal investigators are searching homes connected with the man who the police say killed at least four people over the weekend in an attack on a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints meeting house in Michigan, and are seeking clues to the attacker’s motive, the White House press secretary said on Monday. WSJ goes even more bland: The suspect, who died, is Thomas Jacob Sanford, 40 years old, from the nearby city of Burton, Mich., police said. A Marine Corps spokesman said Sanford served from 2004 to 2008, deploying to Iraq in 2007 and 2008, and had the rank of sergeant. He had longstanding ties to the area, and according to public records was married to a woman named Tella. They had a young son. Bland can be good. In comparison to Kirk's shooting, this barely registered in the media at all. The guy was MAGA.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 29 Posted September 29 4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well, I'm blessed with a basically full head of hair even at my advancing age, but it has always stubbornly refused to grow straight enough to do the ponytail thing. I'm sure I'd have tried it if I could. And I never learned how to tie a bowtie. But as for grandiose oration? Yeah, I got that down. That hair thing is a gift, you Bob Ross looking b*stard. I had a pretty good run all things considered. Hair loss started later in life, relatively speaking, and by the time it did I was in my “There are a lot worse things that could happen in life” mode.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted September 29 Posted September 29 Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said: That hair thing is a gift, you Bob Ross looking b*stard. I had a pretty good run all things considered. Hair loss started later in life, relatively speaking, and by the time it did I was in my “There are a lot worse things that could happen in life” mode. Sure, just keep telling yourself that, chrome dome 🤣
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted September 29 Posted September 29 Just now, boyst said: we know more about him than the Las Vegas shooter. Was he bald?
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 29 Posted September 29 1 minute ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: Sure, just keep telling yourself that, chrome dome 🤣 🤣 Didn’t someone say you had a lazy eye a while back?
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted September 29 Posted September 29 Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said: 🤣 Didn’t someone say you had a lazy eye a while back? Maybe, I don't know. I do take a lot of insults around here, so sure, probably, lol
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 29 Posted September 29 4 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: Maybe, I don't know. I do take a lot of insults around here, so sure, probably, lol How bad is it? Like way out of alignment?
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