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[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

If history is the judge it is true. Take the Patriots undefeated regular season. Without question the most dominant year in NFL history. But when that topic gets brought up they aren’t even in the conversation. 

 

Except everyone remembers them. Nobody is denying winning is the most important thing. It isn't the only thing that matters.

[90sBills]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

Who said they don't matter? Of course they do. But they aren't the only thing that matter. There are lesser triumphs as well.

For some of us those ‘lesser triumphs’ get less and less filling over time. It gets harder and harder to prop up the best appetizers without getting a taste of the main course. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, 90sBills said:

For some of us those ‘lesser triumphs’ get less and less filling over time. It gets harder and harder to prop up the best appetizers without getting a taste of the main course. 

 

It's just a different type of fandom. I'm the guy who posted a thread here the day after the Dalton miracle saying "don't hate the drought". Life isn't just about the destination. It is about the journey too. Sports are the same to me.

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

Who said they don't matter? Of course they do. But they aren't the only thing that matter. There are lesser triumphs as well.

What makes the lesser triumphs not as appealing to me at this stage is those 90's Bills. This franchise already has the gold standard in all of sports for doing everything BUT winning a championship.

 

The success of this team is nearly unprecedented comparative to the lack of success in the postseason. That will be the narrative that gets remembered long term about this period in Bills history if they never get it done.

 

The pursuit of a championship is always enjoyable. Josh is incredible. It's a much more fun time to be a fan than the drought years. I think that can be true along with the general feeling some of expressed in this thread.   

[Paup 1995MVP]

20 hours ago, BillsFan619 said:

Just shows how good we’ve had it the past half decade.

Man, I hope we can turn this success into a Super Bowl title. Even if it’s just one!

 

We’ve been dominant though and we’re very fortunate to have this run as fans.

 

Go Bills!

 

 

We have beaten up on the bad teams with regularity.  
 

But when it matters in the playoffs, we have fallen short especially on defense.  And that’s all that really matters.  
 

The Chiefs have been in 5 SB’s.  And we have been in 0.  Ouch that stings.  

[90sBills]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It's just a different type of fandom. I'm the guy who posted a thread here the day after the Dalton miracle saying "don't hate the drought". Life isn't just about the destination. It is about the journey too. Sports are the same to me.

That’s a great perspective! I apply this mentality to real life, which sports fandom isn’t for me. It’s strictly entertainment. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, 90sBills said:

That’s a great perspective! I apply this mentality to real life, which sports fandom isn’t for me. It’s strictly entertainment. 

 

It is entertainment to me too. Which is why I won't apply a higher bar to it than the stuff that matters. 

10 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

What makes the lesser triumphs not as appealing to me at this stage is those 90's Bills. This franchise already has the gold standard in all of sports for doing everything BUT winning a championship.

 

The success of this team is nearly unprecedented comparative to the lack of success in the postseason. That will be the narrative that gets remembered long term about this period in Bills history if they never get it done.

 

The pursuit of a championship is always enjoyable. Josh is incredible. It's a much more fun time to be a fan than the drought years. I think that can be true along with the general feeling some of expressed in this thread.   

 

It can. But that is different a Superbowl being "all that matters."

[Mikie2times]

19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Except everyone remembers them. Nobody is denying winning is the most important thing. It isn't the only thing that matters.

"The only thing that matters" is a really subjective concept so it's hard for me to unpack. You can argue nearly everything matters just as easily. To me what is ultimately remembered about a team or era is what matters.

 

I can't think of any franchise in NFL history who is remembered very fondly for incredible success in the regular season and never having won one. The 90's Bills are about as close as it comes to that and it took 20+ years for them to be remembered in any positive manner. The Purple people eaters, Broncos are similar, but in all these examples teams went to 3 or more Super Bowls. What is the group we are discussing when we start to say never having been to one or maybe just one? It's hard to think of many. Maybe the Run and Shoot Houston Oilers or the Air Coryell Chargers? Both might be more memorable simply from offensive innovation and not success. Most people don't want that as fans or for Josh. So the celebratory notions ring a bit hollow. 

Edited Saturday at 08:36 PM by Mikie2times

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

"The only things that matters" is a really subjective concept so it's hard for me to unpack. You can argue nearly everything matters just as easily. To me what is ultimately remembered about a team or era is what matters.

 

I can't think of any franchise in NFL history who is remembered very fondly for incredible success in the regular season and never having won one. The 90's Bills are about as close as it comes to that and it took 20+ years for them to be remembered in any positive manner. The Purple people eaters, Broncos are similar, but in all these examples teams went to 3 or more Super Bowls. What is the group we are discussing when we start to say never having been to one or maybe just one? It's hard to think of many. Maybe the Run and Shoot Houston Oilers or the Air Coryell Chargers? Both might be more memorable simply from offensive innovation and not success. Most people don't want that as fans or for Josh. So the celebratory notions ring a bit hollow. 

 

Except ALL those teams ARE remembered. They are famous teams in NFL history. So I can't buy your argument. 

 

It is not all that matters from a historical perspective. 

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Except ALL those teams ARE remembered. They are famous teams in NFL history. So I can't buy your argument. 

 

It is not all that matters from a historical perspective. 

Name 5 highly successful teams that never went to a Super Bowl that history holds in high regard? Hell, name 3? 

[MJS]

17 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

What makes the lesser triumphs not as appealing to me at this stage is those 90's Bills. This franchise already has the gold standard in all of sports for doing everything BUT winning a championship.

 

The success of this team is nearly unprecedented comparative to the lack of success in the postseason. That will be the narrative that gets remembered long term about this period in Bills history if they never get it done.

 

The pursuit of a championship is always enjoyable. Josh is incredible. It's a much more fun time to be a fan than the drought years. I think that can be true along with the general feeling some of expressed in this thread.   

Hey, I agree. I want a Superbowl just as much as any other fan. But it is kind of annoying that any time anything positive is ever said about the team, there is a contingent of fans that come and say "it doesn't matter because we haven't won the superbowl." It gets old. We all want it. We all get it. They aren't saying anything we all don't already know. It is just this joyless, wet blanket of an attitude that isn't fun for anyone.

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Hey, I agree. I want a Superbowl just as much as any other fan. But it is kind of annoying that any time anything positive is ever said about the team, there is a contingent of fans that come and say "it doesn't matter because we haven't won the superbowl." It gets old. We all want it. We all get it. They aren't saying anything we all don't already know. It is just this joyless, wet blanket of an attitude that isn't fun for anyone.

Agree it doesn't need to be discussed in literally every thread. We all know it and feel it. 

[PonyBoy]

19 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

CRAZY this team hasn’t even been to a SB yet

 

One reason, 1 word:

Chiefs 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Name 5 highly successful teams that never went to a Super Bowl that history holds in high regard? Hell, name 3? 

 

Schotty's Chargers

Schotty's Chiefs

Green's Vikings

 

 

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, PonyBoy said:

 

One reason, 1 word:

Chiefs 

Raiders had the Steelers, Colts had the Patriots, Dallas had the 49ers. It's not like the Chiefs can't be beat. If they're worthy enough they will, if they aren't they won't. 

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Schotty's Chargers

Schotty's Chiefs

Green's Vikings

 

 

That is sort of the point I'm making?

Edited Saturday at 08:51 PM by Mikie2times

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Raiders had the Steelers, Colts had the Patriots, Dallas had the 49ers. It's not like the Chiefs can't be beat. If they're worthy enough they will, if they aren't they won't. 

That is sort of the point I'm making?

 

What? They are remembered. Nobody is saying winning a title doesn't matter. But it isn't all that matters. You can be remembered without a Superbowl. 

 

That doesn't mean anyone is fine not winning one. Obviously we all want the Bills to win one. 

 

But the argument that it is all the matters is poppycock.

[Mikie2times]

24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

What? They are remembered. Nobody is saying winning a title doesn't matter. But it isn't all that matters. You can be remembered without a Superbowl. 

 

That doesn't mean anyone is fine not winning one. Obviously we all want the Bills to win one. 

 

But the argument that it is all the matters is poppycock.

If they're remembered at all, it's as paper tigers and choke artists. Not exactly a legacy that is that appealing. To say they're remembered for anything positive at this stage is poppyballs.  

Edited Saturday at 09:44 PM by Mikie2times

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

If they're remembered at all, it's as paper tigers and chock artists. Not exactly a legacy that is that appealing. To say they're remembered for anything positive at this stage is poppyballs.  

 

For someone who has already determined the only thing that matters is a Championship, sure. You can create a narrative where all that matters is a Superbowl and then judge everything by that standard. 

 

But life isn't like that. It isn't all or nothing. Nor is sport despite the desire to present it as such. Sport is about moments. And the memories. The wins. And of course the Championships. But not only them. 

 

Brazil 1982. New Zealand 1995. South Africa (cricket) 1999. Minnesota 1998. Portugal 2004. New England 2007. 

 

They are all great teams. 

[Mikie2times]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

For someone who has already determined the only thing that matters is a Championship, sure. You can create a narrative where all that matters is a Superbowl and then judge everything by that standard. 

 

But life isn't like that. It isn't all or nothing. Nor is sport despite the desire to present it as such. Sport is about moments. And the memories. The wins. And of course the Championships. But not only them. 

 

Brazil 1982. New Zealand 1995. South Africa (cricket) 1999. Minnesota 1998. Portugal 2004. New England 2007. 

 

They are all great teams. 

1998 Minnesota = Gary Anderson choke job

2007 New England = Giants Upset

 

These teams that are super successful and don't win one are ultimately remembered for not winning. Not for winning.  EX: 13 seconds. 

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

1998 Minnesota = Gary Anderson choke job

2007 New England = Giants Upset

 

These teams that are super successful and don't win one are ultimately remembered for not winning. Not for winning.  EX: 13 seconds. 

 

Well of course. Because they didn't win. But that doesn't mean they are not remembered with a respect for what they were. They are still teams that go down in legend. Because it isn't ever only destination. It's the climb. 

 

There are teams who won Championships... in each of those sports.... less remembered than those famous teams that didn't. That's the reality.