Homelander Posted August 11 Posted August 11 10 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Happily followed this "science" So you’re a scientist… blaming people for following the science? Genius. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 11 Posted August 11 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: So when you're under 25 and healthy as a horse getting the covid vaccine might make the difference between feeling crappy for a little shorter time. you were doing so well...and then this bs. many under 25 Americans died from covid. How many preventable deaths are enough for you? what's your risk/benefit threshold? 1
JFKjr Posted August 11 Posted August 11 4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: you were doing so well...and then this bs. many under 25 Americans died from covid. How many preventable deaths are enough for you? what's your risk/benefit threshold? So you still think the Covid vaccine "prevented" deaths? Get another booster!
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 11 Posted August 11 1 minute ago, JFKjr said: So you still think the Covid vaccine "prevented" deaths? Get another booster! It must hurt to be this stupid. Certainly must hurt your standard of living. I almost feel sorry for you. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 11 Posted August 11 3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I'm not using polio as a gold standard but simply as an example of a vacine where there's a basic expectation that the shot will keep you from getting sick. In that case contracting polio. The covid shots were initially marketed to the public as just that and when vaccinated people started getting sick the message changed to protection from severe illness and hospitalization while still allowing the transmission of the virus to others. I've read the clinical trial set ups and read outs. The P3 for Pfizer for example mentions immunity. Nowhere do the primary and secondary end points mention the word "protection". By definition if it only provides protection from serious illness the trial should have been determined to be a failure. But public health officials were desperate for a solution. You mentioned flu strains. I mentioned CD388 as an example of efficacy. It might interest you. It's being trialed and touted as a universal flu "vaccine" which does not require tuning to specific strains to be effective. The P2 read backs that up. It might also be effective against covid or other respiratory conditions but to date no trials or data on those. it is interesting. why make me search for a paper? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-025-01955-3 it's still very early and human trials have not been done but the technique could well be revolutionary. I wonder how many anti vaxers would have a clue about the meaning of this paper after reading it...there is no definitive answer as to whether it meets you definition of "immune response". if you use those words incorrectly with colleagues, they are going to think you are an idiot.
stevestojan Posted August 11 Posted August 11 13 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I understand cause and effect, the fact that you run back to a class you took 40 years ago is hilarious. I understand immunology and to compare the polio vaccine to the "COVID vaccine" is so funny to anyone with an ounce of understanding. Never thought I’d ever get to see a MAGA who claimed to have “dOnE tHEiR oWn reSeArCh” in real time! WOW!! 😂😂😂 You’re arguing with a medical professional but because one of the classes he took wasn’t recent enough for your uneducated self, you disclaim him. I’m certain he’s basically saying “take immunology 101” and that he has more knowledge in his pinky than on all the conspiracy sites/twitter accounts you follow. I suppose you think since that geriatric conspiracy theory-laden creep BillsFanNC calls him a quack that you just follow along like a little sheep. This is one of the - amongst a list a mile long - most uneducated posts in PPP history. 1 1
BillsFanNC Posted August 11 Posted August 11 Many people under 25 also have type 2 diabetes or other underlying conditions that would make them candidates to get the vaccine Quack. Also the mortality data is useless as they counted people who died with covid just the same as people who died from covid or covid complications. Garbage in, garbage out. Which was the entire point.
SectionC3 Posted August 11 Posted August 11 8 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Many people under 25 also have type 2 diabetes or other underlying conditions that would make them candidates to get the vaccine Quack. Also the mortality data is useless as they counted people who died with covid just the same as people who died from covid or covid complications. Garbage in, garbage out. Which was the entire point. Hoax. A spike in death rate is relevant. And there was during COVID. The vax helped get those numbers back to normal. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted August 11 Posted August 11 40 minutes ago, stevestojan said: Never thought I’d ever get to see a MAGA who claimed to have “dOnE tHEiR oWn reSeArCh” in real time! WOW!! 😂😂😂 You’re arguing with a medical professional but because one of the classes he took wasn’t recent enough for your uneducated self, you disclaim him. I’m certain he’s basically saying “take immunology 101” and that he has more knowledge in his pinky than on all the conspiracy sites/twitter accounts you follow. I suppose you think since that geriatric conspiracy theory-laden creep BillsFanNC calls him a quack that you just follow along like a little sheep. This is one of the - amongst a list a mile long - most uneducated posts in PPP history. Seeing as I was correct with about 90% of the COVID stuff in real time and he is still wrong 3 years later, I will keep thinking for myself. Also my "conspiracy theory site" is data from the CDC, same source as him, but looking for different data points. But since you think I am a conspiracy theorist let me ask you why you think the death rate of all groups plummeted at the same time? Taking the shot or not the death rate plummeted across the board. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted August 11 Posted August 11 11 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: if you're really a teacher, I sincerely hope you don't go anywhere near science. I recertified for the boards 3X's beyond the initial certification exam. Every test included difficult immunology questions. It's a subject that is important to all specialties. They all require a basic understanding, some much more. perhaps that's why 99%+ docs got the covid vax. most hospitals mandated the shot to continue employment but you think it was other reasons. I believe you took tests and passed them, I believe you really think the shot was effective, I think you are intentionally looking at data to prove your point but if it was truly effective then some states and areas with low shots would be able to be shown having worse outcomes, if that data exists I certainly can't find it. 2
BillsFanNC Posted August 11 Posted August 11 Bullstojan! You're 10 years away from being geriatric I suppose. I've forgotten more about immunology, specifically as it relates to vaccines, than both you and Quack could ever dream of actually "knowing" combined. 😂 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 11 Posted August 11 11 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Seeing as I was correct with about 90% of the COVID stuff in real time and he is still wrong 3 years later, I will keep thinking for myself. Also my "conspiracy theory site" is data from the CDC, same source as him, but looking for different data points. But since you think I am a conspiracy theorist let me ask you why you think the death rate of all groups plummeted at the same time? Taking the shot or not the death rate plummeted across the board. we're looking at the same data and coming to vastly different conclusions. the dearth rate dropped for all groups for the same reasons I posted yesterday. AI can be useful especially if your inherent intelligence is low. from Gemini this time: The decrease in COVID-19 death rates in 2022 can be attributed to several key factors that emerged over the course of the pandemic. These include widespread population immunity, advancements in treatments, and improvements in public health measures and healthcare practices. Widespread Population Immunity By 2022, a significant portion of the global population had developed some level of immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, either through vaccination, prior infection, or both. This population-wide immunity, often referred to as "hybrid immunity," was crucial. While new variants like Omicron were highly transmissible, the existing immunity helped to reduce the severity of the disease, leading to fewer hospitalizations and deaths. Advancements in Medical Treatments The availability of new antiviral medications and other treatments played a vital role in reducing the risk of severe illness and death. Drugs like Paxlovid were authorized for emergency use and became more widely available to high-risk individuals. These treatments work to stop the virus from replicating, and studies have shown they can significantly reduce the risk of hospitalization and death when taken early in the course of the illness. 5 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Bullstojan! You're 10 years away from being geriatric I suppose. I've forgotten more about immunology, specifically as it relates to vaccines, than both you and Quack could ever dream of actually "knowing" combined. 😂 then why are you unemployed? pfizer pays well as do most pharmacies jobs...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 11 Posted August 11 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: most hospitals mandated the shot to continue employment but you think it was other reasons. I believe you took tests and passed them, I believe you really think the shot was effective, I think you are intentionally looking at data to prove your point but if it was truly effective then some states and areas with low shots would be able to be shown having worse outcomes, if that data exists I certainly can't find it. read my post again. my hospital did not require the covid vaccine even for workers directly caring for patients. Simultaneously, they did require the flu vax. you didn't look very hard for the data. This is a lay press piece but see if you can find the raw data to back it up. it's available. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/red-blue-america-glaring-divide-covid-19-death/story?id=83649085 "Data sourced from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that the 10 states with the highest vaccination rates all voted for Biden in 2020, while nine of the 10 states with the lowest vaccination rates voted for Trump. The lone exception was Georgia, which narrowly went for Biden by less than a quarter of a percentage point. Further, cumulative death data from the C.D.C., from over the last 10 months, illustrates the implications of political polarization of the COVID-19 vaccines. An ABC News analysis of federal data found that on average, the death rates in states that voted for Trump were more than 38% higher than in states that voted for Biden, post widespread vaccine availability." Edited August 11 by Joe Ferguson forever
BillsFanNC Posted August 11 Posted August 11 And don't even get me started on the covid PCR tests with Ct threshold of 39. Tell me you want a slew of false positives without telling me. Comical.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 11 Posted August 11 2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: And don't even get me started on the covid PCR tests with Ct threshold of 39. Tell me you want a slew of false positives without telling me. Comical. no one wants or needs to "get you started". you start spontaneously and continually.
SectionC3 Posted August 11 Posted August 11 40 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: And don't even get me started on the covid PCR tests with Ct threshold of 39. Tell me you want a slew of false positives without telling me. Comical. Tariffs are going to hit especially hard for you when the price of tin foil spikes. Your hats are gonna get a lot more expensive. 1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said: most hospitals mandated the shot to continue employment but you think it was other reasons. I believe you took tests and passed them, I believe you really think the shot was effective, I think you are intentionally looking at data to prove your point but if it was truly effective then some states and areas with low shots would be able to be shown having worse outcomes, if that data exists I certainly can't find it. Given your inability to distinguish between your bunghole and your armpit this is no surprise. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 11 Posted August 11 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Tariffs are going to hit especially hard for you when the price of tin foil spikes. Your hats are gonna get a lot more expensive. Given your inability to distinguish between your bunghole and your armpit this is no surprise. and Orlando is supposedly a teacher and psychological counselor. btw, what happened to "Doc"? Edited August 11 by Joe Ferguson forever
BillsFanNC Posted August 11 Posted August 11 What does this mean? It means if you accept anything past 33 thermocycles as a positive you are saying that someone is positive with zero clinical relevancy. They have no clinical symptoms and aren't shedding virus so they can't transmit. Yet they locked people down for days anyway because the result was "positive" At around 35+ cycles you've either amplified viral debris, caught a non specific false positive.....or you've just happened to catch a very early infection. Which is precisely why you don't use PCR to mass screen for positives, you use cheap at home rapid immunoassays that can be tested at home reliably and as often as needed to catch true positives The PCR covid assays were clown world to anyone who has ever developed and performed diagnostic PCR tests. IOW not Quack. He swallowed this ***** deep. Through a fire hose and then puked it out as if his MD makes him an authority in any way, shape or form.
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