The One, Big, Beautiful tax bill - that kills the poor and pays the rich

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

what makes you think the able bodies on medicaid vote for repubs?

look at the districts with the highest medicaid enrollment.  WV, Ky, NC, SC, Georgia, Southern Ohio, Miss, etc.  Even WNY.  

Cali is a significant outlier.

Even if it's 50% of 100mil, that's potentially 50 mil voters.

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/congressional-district-interactive-map-medicaid-enrollment-by-eligibility-group/

[nedboy7]

“Now, Republicans are about to make a mistake on health care and betraying a promise,” Tillis said. “It is inescapable that this bill, in its current form, will betray the very promise that Donald J. Trump made in the Oval Office or in the Cabinet Room when I was there with [members of the Senate Finance Committee], where he said, we can go after waste, fraud and abuse on any programs.”

[B-Man]

 

 

Update,  actual information.

 

 

Here are the key Big Beautiful Bill differences
that the House and Senate will have to reconcile

by Chris Nesi

 

The Senate version of President Trump’s “One Big Beautiful Bill” that passed a key procedural vote late Saturday has some big differences to the version the House approved. Two Republican Senators — Thom Tillis (R-NC) and Rand Paul (R-KY) were the lone GOP holdouts in the 51-49 vote after caucus leadership spent hours rallying support for the multi-trillion-dollar bill. The current version of the bill, which Senate lawmakers got their first look at Friday night, clocked in at 940 pages, and is largely in line with what the House narrowly approved in May.

 

https://nypost.com/2025/06/29/us-news/here-are-the-key-big-beautiful-bill-differences-that-the-house-and-senate-will-have-to-reconcile/

[Homelander]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Update,  actual information.

 

 

Here are the key Big Beautiful Bill differences
that the House and Senate will have to reconcile

by Chris Nesi

 

The Senate version of President Trump’s “One Big Beautiful Bill” that passed a key procedural vote late Saturday has some big differences to the version the House approved. Two Republican Senators — Thom Tillis (R-NC) and Rand Paul (R-KY) were the lone GOP holdouts in the 51-49 vote after caucus leadership spent hours rallying support for the multi-trillion-dollar bill. The current version of the bill, which Senate lawmakers got their first look at Friday night, clocked in at 940 pages, and is largely in line with what the House narrowly approved in May.

 

https://nypost.com/2025/06/29/us-news/here-are-the-key-big-beautiful-bill-differences-that-the-house-and-senate-will-have-to-reconcile/

 

From the article - "actual information" you did not want to highlight

 

The Senate version could add approximately $3.3–$4 trillion to the national debt over the next decade - $1 trillion more than the House plan.

The House version alone is projected to increase deficits by $2.4 trillion.

 

As much as $930 billion in Medicaid cuts over ten years; strict work requirements could slash eligibility for those with parents of older teens.

SNAP (food stamp) changes: House version pushes high work mandates.

 

CBO estimates: 11.8 million more uninsured by 2034 under the Senate plan.

House bill alone could leave 10.9 million without health insurance.

 

Extends 2017 Trump-era tax cuts, with special deductions for seniors, tips, and overtime but caps those benefits. 

SALT deduction remains capped at $10,000 (Senate) vs. $40,000 (House), favoring higher earners in wealthier states.

 

Senate bill includes a staggering $5 trillion debt-limit hike, significantly more than the House’s $4 trillion proposal.

 

 

 

[Pokebball]

2 minutes ago, Homelander said:

 

From the article - "actual information" you did not want to highlight

 

The Senate version could add approximately $3.3–$4 trillion to the national debt over the next decade - $1 trillion more than the House plan.

The House version alone is projected to increase deficits by $2.4 trillion.

 

As much as $930 billion in Medicaid cuts over ten years; strict work requirements could slash eligibility for those with parents of older teens.

SNAP (food stamp) changes: House version pushes high work mandates.

 

CBO estimates: 11.8 million more uninsured by 2034 under the Senate plan.

House bill alone could leave 10.9 million without health insurance.

 

Extends 2017 Trump-era tax cuts, with special deductions for seniors, tips, and overtime but caps those benefits. 

SALT deduction remains capped at $10,000 (Senate) vs. $40,000 (House), favoring higher earners in wealthier states.

 

Senate bill includes a staggering $5 trillion debt-limit hike, significantly more than the House’s $4 trillion proposal.

 

 

 

I'm curious what you and others here are most concerned with. Many highlight the growing deficits, and debt. And at the same time are being quite critical of the cuts in spending. Would you rather have greater debt and no cuts?

[Homelander]

1 minute ago, Pokebball said:

I'm curious what you and others here are most concerned with. Many highlight the growing deficits, and debt. And at the same time are being quite critical of the cuts in spending. Would you rather have greater debt and no cuts?

 

We shouldn’t be slashing vital programs just to hand out more tax cuts to the wealthy. I’d much rather see the top 1% pay their fair share than gut support for the most vulnerable in our society.

[Hank II]

43 minutes ago, Homelander said:

 

We shouldn’t be slashing vital programs just to hand out more tax cuts to the wealthy. I’d much rather see the top 1% pay their fair share than gut support for the most vulnerable in our society.

Do you not think there should be work requirements for those that are able to work and receiving benefits?

[Homelander]

10 minutes ago, Hank II said:

Do you not think there should be work requirements for those that are able to work and receiving benefits?

 

Of course - able-bodied people should contribute if they can.

 

But let’s be real: this conversation isn’t about encouraging work; it’s about punishing poverty and giving tax breaks to the rich who do not need it. If the goal was really to help people succeed, we’d invest in job training, childcare, and healthcare - not just slash benefits.

[Pokebball]

1 hour ago, Homelander said:

 

Of course - able-bodied people should contribute if they can.

 

But let’s be real: this conversation isn’t about encouraging work; it’s about punishing poverty and giving tax breaks to the rich who do not need it. If the goal was really to help people succeed, we’d invest in job training, childcare, and healthcare - not just slash benefits.

So you don't think we're spending enough?

Edited 2 hours ago by Pokebball