Joe Ferguson forever Posted Saturday at 07:00 PM Posted Saturday at 07:00 PM 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: Really good post. Now do Trump 1.0. Let me help you: https://www.axios.com/2025/01/19/biden-trump-stock-market-gains President Biden will leave office having presided over a very strong stock market, but not quite as strong as either of his two predecessors. The big picture: The S&P 500, Dow Jones Industrial Average, and Nasdaq Composite all gained more during Trump's first term than during Biden's. By the numbers: The S&P 500 gained 66.5% under Trump and 57.9% under Biden. The Dow Jones Industrial Average gained 56.8% under Trump and 40.2% under Biden. The Nasdaq composite gained a whopping 137.5% under Trump, and 47.1% under Biden. Yeah, trump wasn’t engaging in a trade war back then…
JDHillFan Posted Saturday at 07:03 PM Posted Saturday at 07:03 PM 29 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I'd be more than happy to give him credit. 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Yeah, trump wasn’t engaging in a trade war back then… Pitiful. Also - sorry about your Georgia vacation. It must suck since you are spending your day here. Oh well.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Saturday at 07:05 PM Posted Saturday at 07:05 PM Just now, JDHillFan said: Pitiful. Also - sorry about your Georgia vacation. It must suck since you are spending your day here. Oh well. The wedding is in an hour. Use your venom quickly.
JDHillFan Posted Saturday at 07:07 PM Posted Saturday at 07:07 PM 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: The wedding is in an hour. Use your venom quickly. Try not to ruin it by being yourself.
K D Posted Saturday at 08:50 PM Posted Saturday at 08:50 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: it's down almost 80 points since Jan 17th. party on garth. Lol it's way way way up since the Joe Biden says. It went up that high after the election. I thought the protests were going to put them out of business? Edited Saturday at 08:56 PM by K D
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Sunday at 01:09 AM Posted Sunday at 01:09 AM (edited) 4 hours ago, K D said: Lol it's way way way up since the Joe Biden says. It went up that high after the election. I thought the protests were going to put them out of business? No dude. I know facts don't matter to MAGAs but money does https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TSLA/?fr=sycsrp_catchall it was 426 on Jan 17. It closed at 340 Friday (after hours) Edited Sunday at 01:13 AM by Joe Ferguson forever
sherpa Posted Sunday at 01:22 AM Posted Sunday at 01:22 AM 10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: No dude. I know facts don't matter to MAGAs but money does https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TSLA/?fr=sycsrp_catchall it was 426 on Jan 17. It closed at 340 Friday (after hours) I guess I don't get your point, if you are actually trying to make one. The S&P is down 2% from a historically overvalued point since the election. Anybody who is concerned about that should never trade. The bond market it unchanged. TSLA trades at a 200 PE, which is insane, and you bring that up?
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Sunday at 01:30 AM Posted Sunday at 01:30 AM (edited) 8 minutes ago, sherpa said: I guess I don't get your point, if you are actually trying to make one. The S&P is down 2% from a historically overvalued point since the election. Anybody who is concerned about that should never trade. The bond market it unchanged. TSLA trades at a 200 PE, which is insane, and you bring that up? I'm bringing up the fact that Blitzkrieg is crowing on making money on tesla and he apparently still owns shares talk to him. As I've said before the market trajectory was much better before Jan 17 2025. Are you dim? Please tell me you're not interested... Edited Sunday at 01:31 AM by Joe Ferguson forever
sherpa Posted Sunday at 01:48 AM Posted Sunday at 01:48 AM 11 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I'm bringing up the fact that Blitzkrieg is crowing on making money on tesla and he apparently still owns shares talk to him. As I've said before the market trajectory was much better before Jan 17 2025. Are you dim? Please tell me you're not interested... Ya. I'm dim. The market got a bit of a Trump bump after the election. The market did not like the tariff thing, reacted, and has responded to adjustments to that. The bond market has done nothing. TSLA trades at a ridiculous PE. Issues that do that are notoriously volatile. Nothing to glean from that. Either way the thought of a moron being elected with a greater moron as VP would have been a disaster for the market. Certainly would have caused me to go all cash, if not short it. But hey.....I'm dim. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Sunday at 02:05 AM Posted Sunday at 02:05 AM (edited) 18 minutes ago, sherpa said: Ya. I'm dim. The market got a bit of a Trump bump after the election. The market did not like the tariff thing, reacted, and has responded to adjustments to that. The bond market has done nothing. TSLA trades at a ridiculous PE. Issues that do that are notoriously volatile. Nothing to glean from that. Either way the thought of a moron being elected with a greater moron as VP would have been a disaster for the market. Certainly would have caused me to go all cash, if not short it. But hey.....I'm dim. you shoulda gone all cash then Einstein. Then get back in when sanity returns. Whenever that will be. Gold is dropping too. Make a bet. How bout the currency market. Are you willing to bet on the dollar? Buffet and all the masters of the universe think this is folly. but you know better cuz you flew fighter jets... Edited Sunday at 02:08 AM by Joe Ferguson forever 1
sherpa Posted Sunday at 06:48 PM Posted Sunday at 06:48 PM 16 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: but you know better cuz you flew fighter jets... Do you ever wonder what makes people "disinterested?" This is a perfect example. It's simply stupid, unrelated claims that have never been made. It's a waste of time. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted yesterday at 12:03 AM Posted yesterday at 12:03 AM (edited) https://www.marketwatch.com/story/investors-brace-for-reaction-after-moodys-strips-u-s-of-its-top-credit-rating-2bbe0b5d more good news for your 401k. watch treasuries in the near future. While investors have long considered the likelihood that Moody’s would join S&P and Fitch in downgrading the U.S., the Friday move appeared to catch investors by surprise, said Michael Kramer, founder of Mott Capital, in a note. The reaction in the Treasury market will be crucial, he said. Edited yesterday at 12:07 AM by Joe Ferguson forever
CoudyBills Posted yesterday at 02:57 AM Posted yesterday at 02:57 AM On 2/13/2025 at 8:07 AM, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: Whose side are you on? Is Musk really overtaxed? Or are you overtaxed? See, not only will average Americans pay more through tariffs, but you will also be saddled under a mountain of government debt. This will hurt future growth, threaten the long term viability of SS and medicare, the military while at the same time rendering our economy less efficient, profitable and dynamic. The trade wars that are to pay for this--through heavy taxation on average Americans, will mean a weaker economy, fewer choices for American consumers and less opportunity for innovation and cooperation. Donald Trump does not care that this is stupid, hurts America and the majority of the people. He is just like Musk in that, they think they are superior humans, and that the economy should be for them, ergo, they shouldn't pay the taxes, YOU should. https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-reveal-trump-tax-plan-will-cost-us-45-trillion-2030024 Avi Gilburt over at elliotwavetrader.net has been calling for a possibility of deflation, and a rough halving of the S&P500 since 2015ish, we are at the end of the 5 wave structure that kicked off around world war 2. Seems this outlook isn't new.
All_Pro_Bills Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 8 hours ago, CoudyBills said: Avi Gilburt over at elliotwavetrader.net has been calling for a possibility of deflation, and a rough halving of the S&P500 since 2015ish, we are at the end of the 5 wave structure that kicked off around world war 2. Seems this outlook isn't new. My conclusion is government deficits and the national debt will keep rising, no matter who is President or what party is in control with the only distinction being who benefits most from the money printing racket. The Central Bank response to any market crisis or disruption to rising markets will be the injection of massive amounts of liquidity (cash, credit, QE, etc) in order to support nominal asset values (stocks, bonds, etc) and keep the party going for as long as possible which at that point something breaks that more money printing or debt creation won't fix. Lots of inflation ahead in the meantime. But yeah, at the end of it all there could be deflation as asset values are crushed by the destruction of capital and paper wealth resulting in deflation but it might be a long time before we reach that point in time.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago Those pesky facts again from cnbc this am: In April, Treasury yields jumped after U.S. President Donald Trump implemented sweeping “reciprocal tariffs” on international trade partners. The 10-year yield moved above 4.5% and the 30-year rate hit 5%, causing the Trump administration to back off the stiffest tariffs on fears they was causing a financial panic and would raise rates for consumers. But now following the move by Moody’s, the long-term Treasury yields have returned to these levels. Loans for houses, cars and credit cards track these rates. Stock futures were lower as yields surged, with Dow futures down more than 300 points early Monday. 19 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: My conclusion is government deficits and the national debt will keep rising, no matter who is President or what party is in control with the only distinction being who benefits most from the money printing racket. The Central Bank response to any market crisis or disruption to rising markets will be the injection of massive amounts of liquidity (cash, credit, QE, etc) in order to support nominal asset values (stocks, bonds, etc) and keep the party going for as long as possible which at that point something breaks that more money printing or debt creation won't fix. Lots of inflation ahead in the meantime. But yeah, at the end of it all there could be deflation as asset values are crushed by the destruction of capital and paper wealth resulting in deflation but it might be a long time before we reach that point in time. Nice try. You can’t absolve trump of the mess he precipitated with his idiotic tariff plan. By your logic, whatever bad happens to the economy is inevitable. BS.
All_Pro_Bills Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Those pesky facts again from cnbc this am: In April, Treasury yields jumped after U.S. President Donald Trump implemented sweeping “reciprocal tariffs” on international trade partners. The 10-year yield moved above 4.5% and the 30-year rate hit 5%, causing the Trump administration to back off the stiffest tariffs on fears they was causing a financial panic and would raise rates for consumers. But now following the move by Moody’s, the long-term Treasury yields have returned to these levels. Loans for houses, cars and credit cards track these rates. Stock futures were lower as yields surged, with Dow futures down more than 300 points early Monday. Nice try. You can’t absolve trump of the mess he precipitated with his idiotic tariff plan. By your logic, whatever bad happens to the economy is inevitable. BS. Moody's is simply catching up to the ratings downgrade already made by the other 2 major credit raters well before the tariffs and Trump although he's not helping anything here. So that excuse doesn't fly. And it is all inevitable unless you believe in the Fairy Tale that the current administration or any future administration is going to get fiscal discipline, balance the budget, run a surplus, and pay down the national debt along with consumers reducing their borrowing and ceasing to augment their lifestyle through the accumulation of huge debts. And you think all the beneficiaries, individual citizens and business, of all these Federal entitlement programs and handouts are going to cheer the fiscal responsibility and accept that the end of the transfer payments to their accounts is a small price to pay for fiscal responsibility. Or you think the Fed is going to respond to any crisis by any means other than to flood the markets with liquidity in an attempt to kick the can down the road as far and as long as possible. I suggest we've past the point of no return but absent that, what's your grand forecast for where we're headed?
JDHillFan Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 20 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/investors-brace-for-reaction-after-moodys-strips-u-s-of-its-top-credit-rating-2bbe0b5d more good news for your 401k. watch treasuries in the near future. While investors have long considered the likelihood that Moody’s would join S&P and Fitch in downgrading the U.S., the Friday move appeared to catch investors by surprise, said Michael Kramer, founder of Mott Capital, in a note. The reaction in the Treasury market will be crucial, he said. The market really took a dump today as a result of this. wait a minute…..
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