Ben Johnson?? Ben Johnson?? LOL

[NoSaint]

38 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

No, I’ve seen people right here suggesting/proposing him, which strengthens my point that there is a lot of nonsense here.  There are no slam dunks as options, just some more attractive than others. 

 

I’m not here to defend McD and Beane. I’m as frustrated as the next guy. I just see people wanting to change for the sake of change, and that sounds emotional and immature to me. Even the “good options” are not sure things, but people here like to think the grass is always greener. I’m not tied to any one person or thing on the Bills, so if and when change happens I’ll see how I feel at that time.  

 

I’m not sure what they should do, and I freely admit that. I do know that a lot will depend on how the rest of the season goes, so I’ll just wait and see before forming an opinion. We have rallied from 6-6 in the past, so at least we know it could get exciting. 

 

And that is your prerogative. I fully grant you that. I’m going to live my life my way, and I don’t want to feel dirty over a football team. That’s just not worth it to me personally. 

yea but in the thousands of posters you can’t latch onto the Mario for Skelton as serious

 

of the top handful of candidates… I don’t think we collapse with Ben Johnson, Mike vrabel, Kellen Moore or Liam coen off last years list

 

mike Macdonald or Jim harbaugh the year prior? I’d venture even a guy like Dave canales is at worst .500 with us this year

 

sean payton or Shane Steichen? Kevin oconnel? Mike McDaniel? 
 

excluding Nate Hackett, who I’d argue was a terribly unreasonable hire, almost any offensive head coach the last 4 seasons is probably in the ballpark of where we finished as long as Josh is healthy 

 

I don’t love coen but coen plus the rams brainchild is at least interesting even if potentially a bit volatile 

 

I think my overall point is that when you really attack names to it, and not just the great unknown - it really gets a lot less worrisome of what could happen 

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[Augie]

33 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

getting easier to separate the McDermott fans from the Bills fans

 

I’m a Bills fan and have been since the Rockpile, and I’m becoming less of an NFL fan by the year. But you feel free to keep assuming you know more than you do. That was, after all, kind of my point. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

46 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

No, I’ve seen people right here suggesting/proposing him, which strengthens my point that there is a lot of nonsense here.  There are no slam dunks as options, just some more attractive than others. 

 

I’m not here to defend McD and Beane. I’m as frustrated as the next guy. I just see people wanting to change for the sake of change, and that sounds emotional and immature to me. Even the “good options” are not sure things, but people here like to think the grass is always greener. I’m not tied to any one person or thing on the Bills, so if and when change happens I’ll see how I feel at that time.  

 

I’m not sure what they should do, and I freely admit that. I do know that a lot will depend on how the rest of the season goes, so I’ll just wait and see before forming an opinion. We have rallied from 6-6 in the past, so at least we know it could get exciting. 

 

And that is your prerogative. I fully grant you that. I’m going to live my life my way, and I don’t want to feel dirty over a football team. That’s just not worth it to me personally. 

Understand and I respect your opinion. 

[Augie]

13 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

yea but in the thousands of posters you can’t latch onto the Mario for Skelton as serious

 

of the top handful of candidates… I don’t think we collapse with Ben Johnson, Mike vrabel or Liam coen off last years list

 

mike Macdonald or Jim harbaugh the year prior? I’d venture even a guy like Dave canales is at worst .500 with us this year

 

sean payton or Shane Steichen? Kevin oconnel? Mike McDaniel? 
 

excluding Nate Hackett, who I’d argue was a terribly unreasonable hire, almost any offensive head coach the last 4 seasons is probably in the ballpark of where we finished as long as Josh is healthy 

 

I don’t love coen but coen plus the rams brainchild is at least interesting even if potentially a bit volatile 

 

I think my overall point is that when you really attack names to it, and not just the great unknown - it really gets a lot less worrisome of what could happen 

 

I really don’t study this stuff the way some do, but I’d prefer an offensive HC so we don’t have to keep changing coordinators (like we do now) because if they suck they have to go, and if they are good they get poached. For that reason Vrabel, while I like and respect him as a coach, would not be ideal for me. Johnson had never been a HC before, and that gave me some concern. Harbaugh just annoys the &^%* out of me and seems to wear his welcome out quickly, so that wouldn’t be ideal for me. And so on….a lot of decent options but none that I personally just have to have. But what do I know? 

 

I don’t know who it will be or when, but something will happen at some point and I’ll probably go along with it. Some HC prospects  (and I won’t argue specific names here as I’m tired of this already 😊) could push me over the edge. Not in a desperate way, but in an “I just don’t care any more” way. I don’t miss the NBA, and I have yet to watch my college hoops team play a game this season. I seem to be getting more balance in my life about this stuff, so it’s easier to take it or leave it. 

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I really don’t study this stuff the way some do, but I’d prefer an offensive HC so we don’t have to keep changing coordinators (like we do now) because if they suck they have to go, and if they are good they get poached. For that reason Vrabel, while I like and respect him as a coach, would not be ideal for me. Johnson had never been a HC before, and that gave me some concern. Harbaugh just annoys the &^%* out of me and seems to wear his welcome out quickly, so that wouldn’t be ideal for me. And so on….a lot of decent options but none that I personally just have to have. But what do I know? 

 

I don’t know who it will be or when, but something will happen at some point and I’ll probably go along with it. Some HC prospects  (and I won’t argue specific names here as I’m tired of this already 😊) could push me over the edge. Not in a desperate way, but in an “I just don’t care any more” way. I don’t miss the NBA, and I have yet to watch my college hoops team play a game this season. I seem to be getting more balance in my life about this stuff, so it’s easier to take it or leave it. 

fair enough! 
 

I’ll say that I’ve been downshifting a bit myself with it too. 
 

I will leave it with a comment that rarely do you get to hire with the benefit of hindsight, and almost always have to plunge with a candidate doing it the first time or with question marks from a past run… odds are we don’t get to hire Andy Reid coming directly off a Super Bowl, right? They are available for a reason. Even if McDermott was fired from a rival, we would have questions about hiring him here for 2026.
 

but I think in doing the exercise of “how bad would it really have been” with real names drastically changed my tune in the risk management of a possible move. 
 

cheers to a happy thanksgiving, Aug!