And we're on to.. Aiyuk?

[Buffalo03]

  On 4/14/2024 at 5:41 PM, mannc said:

Aiyuk is absolutely a No. 1 WR.  He’s a top ten WR in the league.

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Really? I wouldn't say that. If you wanna get into top 15 or top 20, I will listen

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:13 PM, Chicken Boo said:

In the immortal words of Marlo Stanfield, "Price of the brick going up."

 

DeVonta Smith just signed for approximately $25 mill per year. 

 

Me thinks Aiyuk is now off the table.  Contracts have seen an uptick.  From Cousins, to Jacksonville Josh, now Smith.

 

 

 

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Me thinks so too

[FireChans]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:20 PM, Buffalo03 said:

Really? I wouldn't say that. If you wanna get into top 15 or top 20, I will listen

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I think it’s probably fair to say he is projecting into the top 10 in the future.

 

Lamb

Hill 

St Brown

AJ Brown

DJ Moore

Puka

 

those were the guys with more yards than Aiyuk last year. And I don’t think Moore or Puka are better than him.

 

Combine that with the 3-4 guys who will likely age out of top 10 status in a year or two (Diggs, Adams, Evans, Hopkins?) Aiyuk is definitely in the conversation.

 

[Buffalo03]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:29 PM, FireChans said:

I think it’s probably fair to say he is projecting into the top 10 in the future.

 

Lamb

Hill 

St Brown

AJ Brown

DJ Moore

Puka

 

those were the guys with more yards than Aiyuk last year. And I don’t think Moore or Puka are better than him.

 

Combine that with the 3-4 guys who will likely age out of top 10 status in a year or two (Diggs, Adams, Evans, Hopkins?) Aiyuk is definitely in the conversation.

 

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I'm not just going by yards. I'm going by the eye test. Jamaar Chase isn't on that list and I would take him over Ayuik every time. Aiyuk is more Tee Higgins to me right now than anywhere in the top 10 category 

Edited April 15, 2024 by Buffalo03

[FireChans]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:32 PM, Buffalo03 said:

I'm not just going by yards. I'm going by the eye test. Jamaar Chase isn't on that list and I would take him over Ayuik every time

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So would I.

 

I guess I’m just saying the production is there and the eye test is there.

 

What 10 WR’s do you have better than Aiyuk heading into 2024?

[Buffalo03]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:36 PM, FireChans said:

So would I.

 

I guess I’m just saying the production is there and the eye test is there.

 

What 10 WR’s do you have better than Aiyuk heading into 2024?

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Where do you rank Tee Higgins and do you think Aiyuk is really that much better than him right now? To me, at this point, if you traded for either one, you would be getting the same player

[mannc]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:20 PM, Buffalo03 said:

Really? I wouldn't say that. If you wanna get into top 15 or top 20, I will listen

Me thinks so too

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I can only name three or four WRs in the league who are definitely better than Aiyuk...he's absolutely top 10...Go ahead and try to name 14 WRs who are better....

[Buffalo03]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:40 PM, mannc said:

I can only name three or four WRs in the league who are definitely better than Aiyuk...he's absolutely top 10...Go ahead and try to name 14 WRs who are better....

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3 or 4? No way

[mannc]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:36 PM, FireChans said:

So would I.

 

I guess I’m just saying the production is there and the eye test is there.

 

What 10 WR’s do you have better than Aiyuk heading into 2024?

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The only ones I can name who are definitely better than Aiyuk are Jefferson, Chase, Hill...maybe AJ Brown...maybe I'm forgetting a few, but that's about it. 

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:41 PM, Buffalo03 said:

3 or 4? No way

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I'm all ears...who are the WRs in the NFL who are definitely better than Aiyuk?

Edited April 15, 2024 by mannc

[FireChans]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:38 PM, Buffalo03 said:

Where do you rank Tee Higgins and do you think Aiyuk is really that much better than him right now? To me, at this point, if you traded for either one, you would be getting the same player

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Higgins is probably right below Aiyuk to me. They have very different skill sets. Aiyuk is much better at YAC (part of that is the Shanny scheme) whereas Tee is more of a contested catch guy (and tbh is much more overrated a skill at the NFL level.) Tee to me is a 1B maximum. There’s a reason they chased Chase the next year. 

 

Aiyuk had his other WR miss time and posted a BLISTERING 17.9 YPC and a passer rating of 124 when targeted. That’s elite. 

I think as awesome as it would be to trade and pay him, it’s probably bad business. But I do think he’s going to be in the top 10 next year and will be paid like it.

 

Guys who I would take in 2024 over Aiyuk in no particular order.

 

JJ

Chase

Hill

Lamb

St Brown

AJ Brown

McLaurin

?Evans

?Adams

?Diggs

 

If just one of Diggs/Adams/Evans falls off a Cliff, he’s in my top 10.

Edited April 15, 2024 by FireChans

[Low Positive]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:48 PM, FireChans said:

Higgins is probably right below Aiyuk to me. They have very different skill sets. Aiyuk is much better at YAC (part of that is the Shanny scheme) whereas Tee is more of a contested catch guy (and tbh is much more overrated a skill at the NFL level.) Tee to me is a 1B maximum. There’s a reason they chased Chase the next year. 

 

Aiyuk had his other WR miss time and posted a BLISTERING 17.9 YPC and a passer rating of 124 when targeted. That’s elite. 

I think as awesome as it would be to trade and pay him, it’s probably bad business. But I do think he’s going to be in the top 10 next year and will be paid like it.

 

Guys who I would take in 2024 over Aiyuk in particular order.

 

JJ

Chase

Hill

Lamb

St Brown

AJ Brown

McLaurin

?Evans

?Adams

?Diggs

 

If just one of Diggs/Adams/Evans falls off a Cliff, he’s in my top 10.

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I think Garret Wilson needs to be on that list too.

[mannc]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:48 PM, FireChans said:

Higgins is probably right below Aiyuk to me. They have very different skill sets. Aiyuk is much better at YAC (part of that is the Shanny scheme) whereas Tee is more of a contested catch guy (and tbh is much more overrated a skill at the NFL level.) Tee to me is a 1B maximum. There’s a reason they chased Chase the next year. 

 

Aiyuk had his other WR miss time and posted a BLISTERING 17.9 YPC and a passer rating of 124 when targeted. That’s elite. 

I think as awesome as it would be to trade and pay him, it’s probably bad business. But I do think he’s going to be in the top 10 next year and will be paid like it.

 

Guys who I would take in 2024 over Aiyuk in particular order.

 

JJ

Chase

Hill

Lamb

St Brown

AJ Brown

McLaurin

?Evans

?Adams

?Diggs

 

If just one of Diggs/Adams/Evans falls off a Cliff, he’s in my top 10.

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I'll give you Lamb, but given their ages, no one would prefer Evans, Adams or Diggs to Aiyuk right now... I'd rather have Aiyuk than St Brown or McLaurin; he's much more explosive than those guys.  Aiyuk has gotten better every year and just had a monster season at age 25...

[FireChans]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:50 PM, Low Positive said:

I think Garret Wilson needs to be on that list too.

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I have a very high opinion of Wilson, but I take Aiyuk.

[mannc]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:50 PM, Low Positive said:

I think Garret Wilson needs to be on that list too.

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Wilson's definitely got potential, but he hasn't accomplished nearly as much as Aiyuk to this point in his career.

Edited April 15, 2024 by mannc

[Low Positive]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:52 PM, FireChans said:

I have a very high opinion of Wilson, but I take Aiyuk.

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I like Wilson more. I'm not sure that I want a guy that is demanding a trade form a team that was a play or two away from winning a Lombardi. 

[FireChans]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:51 PM, mannc said:

I'll give you Lamb, but given their ages, no one would prefer Evans, Adams or Diggs to Aiyuk right now... I'd rather have Aiyuk than St Brown or McLaurin; he's much more explosive than those guys.  Aiyuk has gotten better every year and just had a monster season at age 25...

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No, of course not.
 

I didn’t say who was more “valuable” because that’s a much easier conversation. then even guys like Higgins are more valuable than guys like Adams when they are not in the same convo in regards to talent.

 

I think Aiyuk will be a top 10 WR in regards to his talent and production around the league. He’s gonna get a top 5 contract because of his age.

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:54 PM, Low Positive said:

I like Wilson more. I'm not sure that I want a guy that is demanding a trade form a team that was a play or two away from winning a Lombardi. 

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Must be down on Tee Higgins too, right?

 

it’s all contract negotiation. Deebo did the same thing a few years back. I doubt he goes anywhere.

[Buffalo03]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:43 PM, mannc said:

The only ones I can name who are definitely better Aiyuk are Jefferson, Chase, Hill...maybe AJ Brown...maybe I'm forgetting a few, but that's about it. 

I'm all ears...who are the WRs in the NFL who are definitely better than Aiyuk?

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Jefferson, Chase, Lamb, Hill, AJ Brown, St. Brown, Kupp, Davante Adams, Mike Evans, Chris Olave, Nakua, Keenan Allen, Garrett Wilson

 

I would put Aiyuk more on the Jaylen Waddle, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, Michael Pittman, DK Metcalf level. But he is top 15

Edited April 15, 2024 by Buffalo03

[Low Positive]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:54 PM, FireChans said:

No, of course not.
 

I didn’t say who was more “valuable” because that’s a much easier conversation. then even guys like Higgins are more valuable than guys like Adams when they are not in the same convo in regards to talent.

 

I think Aiyuk will be a top 10 WR in regards to his talent and production around the league. He’s gonna get a top 5 contract because of his age.

Must be down on Tee Higgins too, right?

 

it’s all contract negotiation. Deebo did the same thing a few years back. I doubt he goes anywhere.

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Higgins is handling this a lot better: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10116829-tee-higgins-anticipates-staying-with-bengals-in-2024-amid-nfl-trade-contract-rumors

[FireChans]

  On 4/15/2024 at 5:02 PM, Low Positive said:

Higgins is handling this a lot better: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10116829-tee-higgins-anticipates-staying-with-bengals-in-2024-amid-nfl-trade-contract-rumors

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He demanded a trade

[mannc]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:58 PM, Buffalo03 said:

Jefferson, Chase, Lamb, Hill, AJ Brown, St. Brown, Kupp, Davante Adams, Mike Evans, Chris Olave, Nakua, Keenan Allen

 

I would put Aiyuk more on the Jaylen Waddle, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, Michael Pittman, DK Metcalf level. But he is top 15

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Give me a break...Nakua's played one year in the league and Kupp has had two down years in row.  Keenan Allen wouldn't even sniff the top 20 at this point in his career and Diggs, Evans, and Adams are all over 30 and noticeably in decline, although all can still play...Olave is a good player, but there's absolutely no reason to think he's better than Aiyuk at this point in his career. 

[FireChans]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:58 PM, Buffalo03 said:

Jefferson, Chase, Lamb, Hill, AJ Brown, St. Brown, Kupp, Davante Adams, Mike Evans, Chris Olave, Nakua, Keenan Allen, Garrett Wilson

 

I would put Aiyuk more on the Jaylen Waddle, Terry McLaurin, Amari Cooper, Michael Pittman, DK Metcalf level. But he is top 15

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Hard disagree on Kupp, Nakua and Olave. Extremely hard disagree.