B-Man Posted March 18 Posted March 18 Ceasefire over as Israel strikes Gaza after Hamas refused to release hostages, officials say by Louis Casiano & Trey Yingst The ceasefire between Israel and Hamas is over as Israeli fighter jets began striking the Gaza Strip after Hamas refused repeated hostage deal offers, officials said. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) began striking Hamas terrorist targets across Gaza "in order to achieve the war objectives set by the political leadership, including the release of all our hostages—both the living and the fallen," the office of Defense Minister Israel Katz said in a letter. "This decision comes after Hamas repeatedly refused to release our hostages and rejected all proposals presented by U.S. President’s envoy, Steve Witkoff, as well as the mediators," the letter states. https://www.foxnews.com/world/ceasefire-over-israel-strikes-gaza-after-hamas-refused-release-hostages-officials-say
Roundybout Posted May 5 Posted May 5 10 hours ago, B-Man said: The party of peace and no war, everyone 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted May 5 Posted May 5 39 minutes ago, Roundybout said: The party of peace and no war, everyone Do you have a better idea? Of course you dont.
Roundybout Posted May 5 Posted May 5 4 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Do you have a better idea? Of course you dont. Then stop pretending to be the anti-war party
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted May 5 Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Then stop pretending to be the anti-war party Lmao, so we should continue to let the houthis do whatever they want. Keep crying bud, it's the only card you have to play. 1
Roundybout Posted May 5 Posted May 5 6 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Lmao, so we should continue to let the houthis do whatever they want. Keep crying bud, it's the only card you have to play. Okay, so you admit that Trump running on being the most peaceful president ever was a complete lie? 1
sherpa Posted May 5 Posted May 5 15 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Okay, so you admit that Trump running on being the most peaceful president ever was a complete lie? The policy of continuing to absorb Houthi attacks on Red Sea commercial shipping, sending drones to deliver weapons against Israel and attacking US Navy forces was not "peaceful." It was unbelievably expensive, stupid and useless.
B-Man Posted May 5 Posted May 5 NOTHING SAYS IMPARTIALITY AND NEUTRALITY LIKE UNRWA’S LONG COLLABORATION WITH HAMAS: What a clown show the whole UN/NGO complex is.
Roundybout Posted May 5 Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: NOTHING SAYS IMPARTIALITY AND NEUTRALITY LIKE UNRWA’S LONG COLLABORATION WITH HAMAS: What a clown show the whole UN/NGO complex is. Good. Israel should not be able to dictate the terms of the aid to Gaza.
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted May 5 Posted May 5 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: Okay, so you admit that Trump running on being the most peaceful president ever was a complete lie? Jesus christ....... 1
Roundybout Posted May 5 Posted May 5 47 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Jesus christ....... Not an answer!
The Frankish Reich Posted May 5 Posted May 5 How about explaining why the Great USA, the Country of Energy Dominance, has a Dog in this fight, given that Europe should Take Care of Defending Itself against DeNazification Exercises. 1 hour ago, sherpa said: The policy of continuing to absorb Houthi attacks on Red Sea commercial shipping, sending drones to deliver weapons against Israel and attacking US Navy forces was not "peaceful." It was unbelievably expensive, stupid and useless. Or as JD Vance texted to Jeffrey Goldberg and others: it is Europe that overwhelmingly depends on the Suez/Red Sea trade, maybe they should defend commerce there.
sherpa Posted May 5 Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: How about explaining why the Great USA, the Country of Energy Dominance, has a Dog in this fight, given that Europe should Take Care of Defending Itself against DeNazification Exercises. Or as JD Vance texted to Jeffrey Goldberg and others: it is Europe that overwhelmingly depends on the Suez/Red Sea trade, maybe they should defend commerce there. They should do a lot of things, but they don't, because they rely on the massive US military capability. That's why they don't support NATO to agreed upon levels, and allowed their capability to be so pathetic as the Russians invaded Ukraine. Regarding this issue specifically, there is no way "Europe" is going to defend Israel. Look at the criticism and protests over the Israelis eliminating Hamas from that group. As long as the US does what it does, the govs of the EU, ex the UK, will never step in with any significant effort.
The Frankish Reich Posted May 5 Posted May 5 21 minutes ago, sherpa said: They should do a lot of things, but they don't, because they rely on the massive US military capability. That's why they don't support NATO to agreed upon levels, and allowed their capability to be so pathetic as the Russians invaded Ukraine. Regarding this issue specifically, there is no way "Europe" is going to defend Israel. Look at the criticism and protests over the Israelis eliminating Hamas from that group. As long as the US does what it does, the govs of the EU, ex the UK, will never step in with any significant effort. I agree. Just mocking the Trump/Vance line on why the U.S. doesn't have a national security interest in what happens in Ukraine and Eastern Europe.
sherpa Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: I agree. Just mocking the Trump/Vance line on why the U.S. doesn't have a national security interest in what happens in Ukraine and Eastern Europe. The difference is that we have a decades long relationship with Israel, which has always supported us, and the regime absolutely intent of destroying them is a trouble maker of the worst sort, run by a lunatic who believes he has a directive from a seventh century, violent nut to destroy anyone not sharing his view.
The Frankish Reich Posted May 5 Posted May 5 (edited) 17 minutes ago, sherpa said: The difference is that we have a decades long relationship with Israel, which has always supported us, and the regime absolutely intent of destroying them is a trouble maker of the worst sort, run by a lunatic who believes he has a directive from a seventh century, violent nut to destroy anyone not sharing his view. As far as geopolitical risks to the U.S.: given our energy independence/dominance, I'd say that the Russian New Imperialism is a much more serious one. I notice that oil imports (other than Venezuela) were not tariffed. Why not? If you want to encourage U.S. production and marginalize the Middle East as a threat to U.S. security, that would seem to me to be the best solution. After all, a cartel is kind of the definition of a manipulated market. But I guess Trump couldn't stomach the fear of increased prices at the pump. Off topic, Sherpa, and probably belongs in the tariffs thread: would you expect tariffs on European (and other) wine imports to impact your wine business? My guess is that they won't, and that world trade in wine and encourages the development of wine aficionados (to use a snobby term) and is ultimately good for small producers everywhere, and that something like tariffs on foreign wine will be counterproductive. Maybe it would help at the very low end, but I can't see any help for smaller or boutique U.S. wineries. Thoughts? Edited May 5 by The Frankish Reich
sherpa Posted May 5 Posted May 5 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: As far as geopolitical risks to the U.S.: given our energy independence/dominance, I'd say that the Russian New Imperialism is a much more serious one. If this goes on an energy vector, I'm not interested, because I don't think the Iran issue has anything to do with our interest in this, which is legitimate and important. Iran is run by a lunatic who thinks he is directed by Allah to destroy not only Israel, but the rest of the non Muslim world. Energy is a red herring, in my view.
The Frankish Reich Posted May 5 Posted May 5 30 minutes ago, sherpa said: If this goes on an energy vector, I'm not interested, because I don't think the Iran issue has anything to do with our interest in this, which is legitimate and important. Iran is run by a lunatic who thinks he is directed by Allah to destroy not only Israel, but the rest of the non Muslim world. Energy is a red herring, in my view. Saudi can defend itself and its interests, I mean, at least in theory, right?
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