Trantifa Transsurrection: All the documented events that aren't happening. TRANS WOMEN ARE MEN

[JDHillFan]

Just now, Roundybout said:

You can continue to argue against it, but stop using sources you clearly can’t comprehend. Or choose not to. 
 

PS, surgery IS part of the psychiatric support after age 18.

Before 18? Have you, in these pages, ever supported an age limit? I do not believe you have. 
 

Meanwhile, you have attempted to turn an incredibly brief passage from an NIH paper that talks about stigma and psychiatric care for trans identifying people into it being the central issue. The paper is about an unacceptable increase in suicidal tendencies for people that have undergone these surgeries. You can’t be more disingenuous. 
 

Why you are fine with promoting these procedures that have such horrible outcomes is anyone’s guess. Maybe it’s just your twisted ideology that you regularly put on display. 

[BillsFanNC]

This is why you can't have a "discussion" with the left.

 

Surgeries have indeed been performed on minors. A LOT.

 

Roundy this is where you shift from its not happening straight to ok it's happening but it's a good thing.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by BillsFanNC

[Roundybout]

30 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Before 18? Have you, in these pages, ever supported an age limit? I do not believe you have. 
 

Meanwhile, you have attempted to turn an incredibly brief passage from an NIH paper that talks about stigma and psychiatric care for trans identifying people into it being the central issue. The paper is about an unacceptable increase in suicidal tendencies for people that have undergone these surgeries. You can’t be more disingenuous. 
 

Why you are fine with promoting these procedures that have such horrible outcomes is anyone’s guess. Maybe it’s just your twisted ideology that you regularly put on display. 

I genuinely am at a loss as to how you can’t understand that the suicide rates are explained by increased social stigma and isolation after the surgery, not the surgery itself. It’s baffling. 

[BillsFanNC]

Two minutes.

 

On minor gender transition surgeries.

 

To go from its absolutely not happening. To ok, maybe it is but it's not that bad. To its good that it's happening.

 

Two minutes.

 

Watch.

 

 

[JDHillFan]

30 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

I genuinely am at a loss as to how you can’t understand that the suicide rates are explained by increased social stigma and isolation after the surgery, not the surgery itself. It’s baffling. 

Why do you advocate for subjecting mentally compromised young people to procedures that result in, to quote you, “increased social stigma and isolation after the surgery”? Particularly when it leads to a 12 fold increase in suicidal tendencies?  
 

I advocate for getting these young people the mental help they need and then letting them make a life-altering decision as an adult. 
 

What age is too young for these procedures in your mind? 

[B-Man]

 

 

Can Democrats escape the corner they painted themselves into on gender ideology?

 

Survey says: "No!" At least not until the paint dries out completely, and this is slow-drying paint.

 

That reality was demonstrated again on Wednesday, when the Supreme Court ruled that states have the power to ban "gender affirming care" (sterilizing and mutilating) procedures on children in the case U.S. v. Skrmetti. 

 

Americans are tolerant when it comes to sexual nonconformity, and there is a long history of tolerance for drag shows and transvesticism among adults, within reason. Drag shows are harmless when children are excluded from watching them, and have been a part of burlesque for decades. One of the more popular TV shows features drag queens. Gay marriage is legal, and hostility to homosexuality is relatively low, although hardly nonexistent. 

 

But compared to, say, Democrats' hostility to MAGA, it barely registers. Leftists hate Jews far more than anybody hates homosexuals, and you can't find any conservatives bashing gays as harshly as MSNBC hosts regularly bash Republicans. 

 

But Democrats can't accept victory on this issue, because for them victory is transing the kids. So when the Supreme Court ruled that transing the kids could be banned by states under their police powers, the left has gone absolutely insane. Alphabet ideology has become a core component of the left's worldview, and the left sets the agenda for the Democratic Party. 

 

{snip}

 

Alphabet ideology is non-negotiable. Every deviation from the chanting points is harshly punished. Seth Moulton tried to break out of the ideological box and was swatted down. Gavin Newsom dabbled a bit with moderating on the issue, but he is now changing the subject and moving hard left again. 

 

Alphabet ideology is a key part of the larger civil religion of Critical Theory that forms the ideological foundation of the modern left. Critical Theory is a mutation of communism that arose as the "inevitable" proletarian revolution failed to materialize. 

 

Politicians in heavily "Blue" states or districts can't deviate from the Critical Theory scripture, even if they intellectually understand that their positions are political poison with normies. Democrats are in a terrible bind on this issue; some actually believe this dangerous nonsense, and others are forced to mouth the mantras lest true believers replace them. 

 

There likely would never have been a major political issue if "transgender rights" activists hadn't gone after our kids. The transgender flags in schools, men entering women's sports, "sanctuary states," the vast push to propagandize for and create clinics to "transition" kids, and the tuck bathing suits at Target all raised the issue to national importance. 

 

By adopting the transing of kids as the "civil rights issue of our time," Democrats not only divorced themselves from Americans' common sense on the issue, they also made retreat especially difficult. How do you compare an issue to slavery and segregation one day and then drop it the next? 

 

It's a conundrum, on the same level as the Democrats' adopting the cause of MS 13 and Tren de Aragua deportations as a moral atrocity? Democrats are so far out on these ideological limbs that it's hard to see how they climb back down the tree. Over time, they could remain silent, I suppose, and try to drop the issue, but they created a band of ideological shock troops who could turn their fire on the Democrats if they do so. 

 

Corporate America, after a long time, has finally realized that this issue is toxic. Even Target, as woke a mainstream company as exists, is giving up on Pride and transgenderism. 

 

 

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2025/06/20/democrats-gender-ideology-bind-n3803970

 

Democrats face the same problem the Labour Party in Great Britain faced in the late 70s. They are so far outside the mainstream--for similar reasons--that it may take well over a decade to recalibrate and a new generation of politicians to do it. 

[Roundybout]

46 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Why do you advocate for subjecting mentally compromised young people to procedures that result in, to quote you, “increased social stigma and isolation after the surgery”? Particularly when it leads to a 12 fold increase in suicidal tendencies?  
 

I advocate for getting these young people the mental help they need and then letting them make a life-altering decision as an adult. 
 

What age is too young for these procedures in your mind? 

When people like you treat transgender folk like they’re monsters, it’s not too hard to see why they’d feel suicidal.

 

I think too young is below puberty. 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

6 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

When people like you treat transgender folk like they’re monsters, it’s not too hard to see why they’d feel suicidal.

 

I think too young is below puberty. 

Too young is below 18.

[JDHillFan]

11 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

When people like you treat transgender folk like they’re monsters, it’s not too hard to see why they’d feel suicidal.

 

I think too young is below puberty. 

The question you won’t answer is why you are a proponent of subjecting children around the age of 12 to procedures that have such horrific outcomes associated with them. Bizarre and disturbing. 
 

They’re not monsters. They need psychiatric help and steady adults in their lives. You throw out such a ridiculous strawman because your position is indefensible. Childish. 

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, JDHillFan said:

The question you won’t answer is why you are a proponent of subjecting children around the age of 12 to procedures that have such horrific outcomes associated with them. Bizarre and disturbing. 
 

They’re not monsters. They need psychiatric help and steady adults in their lives. You throw out such a ridiculous strawman because your position is indefensible. Childish. 

You still operate under the belief that kids under 18 are lining up for surgeries like they’re orthodontics. You’ve invented a strawman to justify your hatred towards trans people. 

https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/gender-affirming-surgeries-rarely-performed-on-transgender-youth/

 

https://www.hrc.org/resources/get-the-facts-on-gender-affirming-care

 

 

The “horrific outcomes” for those who get surgery are a direct result of YOUR actions and YOUR beliefs, not theirs. It’s on YOU. 

[JDHillFan]

40 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

You still operate under the belief that kids under 18 are lining up for surgeries like they’re orthodontics. You’ve invented a strawman to justify your hatred towards trans people. 

https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/gender-affirming-surgeries-rarely-performed-on-transgender-youth/

 

https://www.hrc.org/resources/get-the-facts-on-gender-affirming-care

 

 

The “horrific outcomes” for those who get surgery are a direct result of YOUR actions and YOUR beliefs, not theirs. It’s on YOU. 

Incorrect, kid. It’s on the people that tell confused youngsters their problems can be solved by chopping their bodies up. It’s this sort of thinking that has people like you and your political party becoming more irrelevant every day.

[BillsFanNC]

Roundy:

 

"Look, it happens, but it's rare. See this study with data up to 2019."

 

The rest of us paying attention the past five years:

 

Do No Harm, an advocacy group that represents medical professionals concerned about identity politics, gender ideology, and DEI practices in medicine, was able to aggregate their figures by scouring a selection of insurance claims filed nationwide between 2019 and 2023.

 

In all they found 5,747 unique patients receiving gender affirming surgery — whether it be a mastectomy or genital reassignment surgery — as well as 8,579 patients on puberty blockers and/or hormone replacement therapy. Overall, they counted more than 60,000 total prescriptions

 

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

3 hours ago, Roundybout said:

I genuinely am at a loss as to how you can’t understand that the suicide rates are explained by increased social stigma and isolation after the surgery, not the surgery itself. It’s baffling. 

Roundy- I do believe your heart is in the right place- but your points are wrong. These people aren't killing themselves because of social stigma, it is the fact that the surgery does not do anything to help them. These people are being sold a false bill of goods that if they get the surgery they will be the opposite sex, and that is simply a lie. I could get surgery, put on a dress, remove all my hair, put on dress, and not one person will ever accept I am a female. The surgery is not helpful to their mental health because it is supposed to gain them acceptance which will never happen because it is a lie