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16 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Yeah, maybe.   On the other hand, there are a lot of things that go into determining who you want to occupy roster spots.   Maybe, as some have been saying, Dane Jackson can be a solid #2.  Maybe the Bills know that they're building for the playoffs, not opening day, and by the time they get to the playoffs, they want Elam and Jackson to be seasoned starters/backups.  Maybe they don't want to take training camp reps away from those two and use them on a vet who won't be in the lineup in December.  

 

I'm not arguing with you.  I don't know or pretend to know.   I just think that although probably everyone agrees that Haden would be better in game 1 than at least one of the starting corners, that's not enough reason, alone, to add him to the team.  

 

McDermott always challenges his team.   I think he's going to challenge in game 1 by letting them realize that, just like in the playoffs last year, they'll have to play without Tre.  

That's fair. They did manage to have a very strong finish as a team without Tre. 

 

My concern is more that they had an easier end to the season that could have disguised how bad the problem was. Carolina and three games against the Patriots (including the wind game) were not ones where the Bills faced word beaters in the passing attack. Now, Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes make a lot defenses look silly and I think you have a point about giving roster spots to people who would not be back in 2023. I think you are probably right about what the Bills do, but I am looking at a first half of the season that has games against the Super Bowl champs, the AFC South division winner, Tyreek Hill, and the two biggest MVP rivals that Josh has this year (Mahomes and Rodgers). The idea that Haden wouldn't be here long term doesn't bother me as much compared to the idea of a recovering White, rookie Elam and Dane Jackson (who we hope is a solid #2)

 

If we want a high seed to really make a run, I find Haden a better investment to kick the tires on than Cody Ford.

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On 7/24/2022 at 1:54 PM, smuvtalker said:

Me personally, I feel like this is the year McKenzie finally nails down the punt returner spot, AND takes one to the house during the regular season.  I'd be lying if I said I didn't have high hopes for him.  

 

If in fact he does become our full time KR/PR, and then I assume Diggs, Davis, Crowder, Shakir all lock up roster spots, who's on the outside looking in?  And how many receivers will the Bills carry?  

PR/KR can also be a DB or RB. Would like to see Cook try a few.

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On 7/24/2022 at 5:51 PM, nosejob said:

......But the bigger backs kill us. Taron cannot bring them down and they're usually in 3rd gear by the time he can close.

If McFrazier can't prepare for what is obviously coming from the likes of Pitt,. Balt. ,Cincy Tenn. as well as everyone else, we may see twice as many of the Colts, N.E outcomes. Bernard is gonna make a huge difference....providing Frazier is not too stuck in his ways or McD is too timid to take over.

 

BTW, 70% nickel will kill us in the 1st 4 games. 2/3s of the middle of the field to Milano's left will be the target area and even though I'm expecting....and very grateful for the Dline additions, 4 guys can't stop 6 and a back against a team Hell bent on running and T.O.P.

 

Another tactic I expect to see is timing passes against us. Teams are gonna try to unload quick to backs to beat our improved pass rush. We gotta run a 4-3 and even with Miller, we're gonna need to blitz more. 4-3 can disguise Milano blitzing.

Another way to say this is:

 

If Bernard is in the Milano mold. And he has a better pass rushing instinct (he does). And Bernard is a natural TE cover guy. Then Buffalo could go more 4-3 against the bully teams, and make life more difficult for them.

 

I am tired of seeing Johnson, Poyer or Hyde be the first helmet on a full steam ahead Henry, Taylor, or big QB. Johnson and Poyer have taken beatings with the unwillingness to go 4-3 against physical teams.

 

Maybe, just maybe, Bernard helps in that equation. I want more 4-3 this year against bully teams. It helps the run defense. It helps the stress on the 5 DBs. It may even help Edmunds by playing a natural 4-3 MLB.

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1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

That's fair. They did manage to have a very strong finish as a team without Tre. 

 

My concern is more that they had an easier end to the season that could have disguised how bad the problem was. Carolina and three games against the Patriots (including the wind game) were not ones where the Bills faced word beaters in the passing attack. Now, Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes make a lot defenses look silly and I think you have a point about giving roster spots to people who would not be back in 2023. I think you are probably right about what the Bills do, but I am looking at a first half of the season that has games against the Super Bowl champs, the AFC South division winner, Tyreek Hill, and the two biggest MVP rivals that Josh has this year (Mahomes and Rodgers). The idea that Haden wouldn't be here long term doesn't bother me as much compared to the idea of a recovering White, rookie Elam and Dane Jackson (who we hope is a solid #2)

 

If we want a high seed to really make a run, I find Haden a better investment to kick the tires on than Cody Ford.

I get that point.  I would guess that McBeane resist that kind of thinking because it is short-term, not long-term. They dislike giving reps to guys who aren't the future.  And if they agreed with you, Haden would be in camp already.  Only way he's coming would be if Elam shows he simply can't survive out there.

 

We will see. 

45 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

Another way to say this is:

 

If Bernard is in the Milano mold. And he has a better pass rushing instinct (he does). And Bernard is a natural TE cover guy. Then Buffalo could go more 4-3 against the bully teams, and make life more difficult for them.

 

I am tired of seeing Johnson, Poyer or Hyde be the first helmet on a full steam ahead Henry, Taylor, or big QB. Johnson and Poyer have taken beatings with the unwillingness to go 4-3 against physical teams.

 

Maybe, just maybe, Bernard helps in that equation. I want more 4-3 this year against bully teams. It helps the run defense. It helps the stress on the 5 DBs. It may even help Edmunds by playing a natural 4-3 MLB.

I think your wish will be granted. 

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On 7/26/2022 at 11:28 AM, RocCityRoller said:

PR/KR can also be a DB or RB. Would like to see Cook try a few.

Agree with you there.  According to all the reports coming out of camp so far, they say Cook has some eye-opening speed.  Even remember one person saying he appears to be the fastest guy the Bills have had in the backfield in quite some time.  Not only is that refreshing to hear, but it also gives me optimism that we might finally have some players back there that can finally push McKenzie, at least to a degree.  I'm sure McKenzie is plenty motivated to win the PR job, but there's really noone amongst the group, to me at least, that is making McKenzie lose any sleep over.  Plus, it's a dangerous position to play, opening the player up to SIGNIFICANT injury every time he touches the football.  So I'd be willing to bet good money that McKenzie ain't dyin to "win" that role.  I'd bet the house(Winnebago), the car(1968 Pinto hatchback), AND to make the pot even sweeter, throw in my ENTIRE life savings(all $ 47 dollars and thirteen cents). High rollin baby.  All jokes aside, this is already shaping up to be the best off-season in my life, and we haven't played a LICK of football.  God is so good, ALL the time.....

Now let's play some football!!!  GO BUFFALO!!

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On 7/24/2022 at 2:32 PM, Chandler#81 said:

Josh at the podium

 

Imo, Warrow is embarrassingly weak with his questions in press conferences. He gets the opportunity to ask something but he’s completely unprepared to formulate a coherent thought into an intelligent question. Been this cringe worthy his entire time here.🤦‍♂️ Thankfully for him, he WRITES for a living and can be proofread before publication. juss sayin’🤷‍♂️
 

 

Fun times. Since you're "juss sayin," why not spell my name correctly.

Also, why not refer to which questions I asked to Josh.

 

Was it this one?
As you had some  downtime and you come here and see these camps are sold out. Every ticket it sold. Does it remind you quickly of the expectations that are on this team and on you and everything else?
 

Or was it this one?

What about this being the next step toward achieving your and this team's high expectations? Sean said, we're here to work. But the exptectations are out there, I think somebody said Vegas has the Bills the favorite to win the Super Bowl. How is this the next step toward achieving that?

How about this one?
You said, `You've got a new mindset.'  Can you expand on that? How has the mindset changed in some ways or maybe narrowed?

 

And the follow up (after he said, `We need to find a way.'):

Does that linger, the fact that this team hasn't found a way? You've found a way to get to a point, but you've not found the way to get to that. Does that linger?

 

Thanks for all the input. I'll be constantly hitting refresh awaiting your response, because, after all, you know better than me in how to do my job.

 

jw

 

On 7/24/2022 at 3:24 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I've told JW multiple times on here that it would be better if he prepared questions so they made sense when asked..........didnt' ask questions and then give what he expects to be the answer before he's finished asking..........not show up on Skype disheveled and then ask a babbling question that makes him look like he isn't prepared..........all that kinda' stuff.    He knows.   He's just big time like that.  

 

that warrow. what a loser.

 

 

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47 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

 

Fun times. Since you're "juss sayin," why not spell my name correctly.

Also, why not refer to which questions I asked to Josh.

 

Was it this one?
As you had some  downtime and you come here and see these camps are sold out. Every ticket it sold. Does it remind you quickly of the expectations that are on this team and on you and everything else?
 

Or was it this one?

What about this being the next step toward achieving your and this team's high expectations? Sean said, we're here to work. But the exptectations are out there, I think somebody said Vegas has the Bills the favorite to win the Super Bowl. How is this the next step toward achieving that?

How about this one?
You said, `You've got a new mindset.'  Can you expand on that? How has the mindset changed in some ways or maybe narrowed?

 

And the follow up (after he said, `We need to find a way.'):

Does that linger, the fact that this team hasn't found a way? You've found a way to get to a point, but you've not found the way to get to that. Does that linger?

 

Thanks for all the input. I'll be constantly hitting refresh awaiting your response, because, after all, you know better than me in how to do my job.

 

jw

 

 

that warrow. what a loser.

 

 

On the first question you did kind of say the same thing twice in those first two sentences, and the question kind of ended up being a pretty yes or no question. It also kind of seemed like it was pretty obvious what the answer to it is. Josh basically treated it like you asked how he felt about camp being sold out and about those expectations, which the expectations part has been asked and answered a lot this off season.

 

Second question, I'm not exactly sure what you were asking, kind of seemed like you were asking about those expectations again which he'd just answered, or maybe about training camp as the next step in getting to where they're trying to get to, which seems to be how Josh took it.

 

Question 3 and 3b best questions of the four.

 

Not saying I know more about doing your job than you do, obviously I don't, but as a consumer of sports media I do have an opinion about it.

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