Manning cast indirectly peek into Bills Offense.

[K-9]

I wish we had two versatile, good blocking and interchangeable TEs. You come out in 12 personnel on a few series and watch how quickly those two deep safeties creep up to stop the run. And when defenses go heavier to counter it, flex one or both out wide and feast in the mismatches with LBs and/or smaller DBs. You’d think that with Daboll’s familiarity with the Pats*** success with it might inform him. Then again, we don’t have the same kind of horses in the barn. 

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1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

It becomes borderline arrogance from Daboll/Allen if they’re not gonna take the underneath stuff or establish a run game when the passing game has sputtered the past 5-6 games.  

When you do the underneath stuff it gets first downs but you need a hammer of a running back to wear a defense down.  Jimmy Johnson once said when he was about to play the Eagles in Texas stadium I would rather play conservative then turning the ball over.  For Josh to do the underneath stuff and play conservative the defense has to earn his trust that if he goes 3 and out he does not have to panic knowing his defense will shut down the opposing offense and get the ball right back to him. The more touches josh has the more deadly he becomes.

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5 minutes ago, billybrew1 said:

The G-men certainly moved the ball a lot vs. the WTF D

Daniel Jones had about 100 yards rushing.  He and 17 were their offense last week.

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52 minutes ago, DJB said:

Just take what the defense gives you that helps win the game

 

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Well there is this alternative approach that was successful back in the day:  "We don't take what the defense gives us; we take whatever the hell we want." -Al Davis

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2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

It becomes borderline arrogance from Daboll/Allen if they’re not gonna take the underneath stuff or establish a run game when the passing game has sputtered the past 5-6 games.  

 

It bothered me that a lot of  run checks in week 1 were mostly qb draws. If they want to play 2 high, run out of 11 personnel. Don't need the qb constantly running into contact, we have running backs for that.

42 minutes ago, Rock'em Sock'em said:

Daniel Jones had about 100 yards rushing.  He and 17 were their offense last week.

 

Some read option plays for them were big chunks. I think they ran a qb power as well. There were also man coverage scrambles. We've seen mostly zone to limit the scrambles, but read option and qb power can get u numbers on one side for chunk plays if they want to play off coverage zone.

47 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I wish we had two versatile, good blocking and interchangeable TEs. You come out in 12 personnel on a few series and watch how quickly those two deep safeties creep up to stop the run. And when defenses go heavier to counter it, flex one or both out wide and feast in the mismatches with LBs and/or smaller DBs. You’d think that with Daboll’s familiarity with the Pats*** success with it might inform him. Then again, we don’t have the same kind of horses in the barn. 

 

I'd use Spencer brown in some situations like that. He played tight end before and size wise he's a mismatch to any linebacker. It'll force their hand and u can attack vertically with play action. I'd even motion Knox across to Crack block on some runs and bootlegs to get the backside more help.

[Mickey]

There is a reason defenses will give you those two yard routes all day, because you won't win a football game that way.  We do not have the horses upfront or in the backfield to have some sort of 1972 style running attack.  Defenses don't need to adjust to a three and out running game.  A little better accuracy on Josh's part, a few less dropped passes and a few less holding calls is all we need.  We are only two games in and one of those was a 35-0 rout. Not exactly time to hit the eject button on the offense that carried us to 13-3 last year.

[K-9]

16 minutes ago, dneveu said:

I'd use Spencer brown in some situations like that. He played tight end before and size wise he's a mismatch to any linebacker. It'll force their hand and u can attack vertically with play action. I'd even motion Knox across to Crack block on some runs and bootlegs to get the backside more help.

Knox threw a nice block on Motor’s TD run. Came across the formation and took his man out. 

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Just now, Mickey said:

There is a reason defenses will give you those two yard routes all day, because you won't win a football game that way.  We do not have the horses upfront or in the backfield to have some sort of 1972 style running attack.  Defenses don't need to adjust to a three and out running game.  A little better accuracy on Josh's part, a few less dropped passes and a few less holding calls is all we need.  We are only two games in and one of those was a 35-0 rout. Not exactly time to hit the eject button on the offense that carried us to 13-3 last year.

 

No - but based on a game flow, if there is a light box you are supposed to check and run the ball.  When you play empty for 30 snaps, the runs come from the QB which i think is a bit dangerous.  I don't think you need to go heavy here, just do a quick count of the box and if you have numbers run it.  

Just now, K-9 said:

Knox threw a nice block on Motor’s TD run. Came across the formation and took his man out. 

 

Sanders had one down the field too.  Those are usually the difference between 10-15 and TD runs.  

[K-9]

1 minute ago, dneveu said:

Sanders had one down the field too.  Those are usually the difference between 10-15 and TD runs.  

Yep. If I have a receiver that can’t block, he’s not gonna play very often, if at all. Simple as that. 

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21 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Yep. If I have a receiver that can’t block, he’s not gonna play very often, if at all. Simple as that. 

 

Yeah... I saw Kelce catch a pass from a bailing mahomes right near the LOS, and get a 60 yard TD on it.  I'm sure he broke a tackle or two, but that doesn't happen without a ton of downfield blocks.