The Warden Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 Make the Thruway safer by forcing some trucks to use PA. routes http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050426/1059205.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 Taxing their way to prosperity, one budget at a time. Remember when the Thruway was being built and the bill of goods we were sold was "it'll have a toll on it until it's paid for." The beginning of the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted April 26, 2005 Author Share Posted April 26, 2005 Taxing their way to prosperity, one budget at a time. Remember when the Thruway was being built and the bill of goods we were sold was "it'll have a toll on it until it's paid for." The beginning of the end. 319068[/snapback] The St. Catherine Skyway bridge on the QEW had a toll booth to pay for its' construction - which was removed promptly when the bonds were paid off - sometimes it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 The St. Catherine Skyway bridge on the QEW had a toll booth to pay for its' construction - which was removed promptly when the bonds were paid off - sometimes it happens 319073[/snapback] Same thing with the Southern State Pkwy here on Long Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 The St. Catherine Skyway bridge on the QEW had a toll booth to pay for its' construction - which was removed promptly when the bonds were paid off - sometimes it happens 319073[/snapback] Same down here with the old I-44 toll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpile Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 I heard rumors they want to change "The Empire State" to "The Bend Over State". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Taxing their way to prosperity, one budget at a time. Remember when the Thruway was being built and the bill of goods we were sold was "it'll have a toll on it until it's paid for." The beginning of the end. 319068[/snapback] It's those second mortgages that will kill you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 It's those second mortgages that will kill you. 321380[/snapback] Especially when the value of your property falls below the amount of the first one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 It's those second mortgages that will kill you. 321380[/snapback] That's how the Illinois Tollway Authority continues to collect tolls on I-294 around Chicago. Keep laying concrete somewhere else. (I-355) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 I heard rumors they want to change "The Empire State" to "The Bend Over State". 320497[/snapback] You and I are old enough to remember this. NY was the most populous state. Then California passed NY. Then Texas passed NY. By the year 2011 Florida will pass NY. So much for the message………. Its not like Kevin Costner saying " Tax them , and they will come" Screw NY, is what most are saying. Oh, btw, I love NY, at least from Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 You and I are old enough to remember this. NY was the most populous state. Then California passed NY. Then Texas passed NY. By the year 2011 Florida will pass NY. So much for the message………. Its not like Kevin Costner saying " Tax them , and they will come" Screw NY, is what most are saying. Oh, btw, I love NY, at least from Florida 321546[/snapback] Not that it isn't taxes. Climate is a major player. Put NYS in the sunbelt and, IMO, even with the repressive taxes, NYS prospers. Mix in technology. The advent of air-conditioning tipped the scale towards the sun-belt. People hate the cold. Makes moving that much easier. Doing business that much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Not that it isn't taxes. Climate is a major player. Put NYS in the sunbelt and, IMO, even with the repressive taxes, NYS prospers. Mix in technology. The advent of air-conditioning tipped the scale towards the sun-belt. People hate the cold. Makes moving that much easier. Doing business that much easier. 321570[/snapback] Step back and read what you just wrote, seriously. Thats funny EII. Your first three sentences, pretty much cover it. Except, for the NY prospers part. And WTF does AC have to do with anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Not that it isn't taxes. Climate is a major player. Put NYS in the sunbelt and, IMO, even with the repressive taxes, NYS prospers. Mix in technology. The advent of air-conditioning tipped the scale towards the sun-belt. People hate the cold. Makes moving that much easier. Doing business that much easier. 321570[/snapback] Which explains why places like Boise, Idaho, Minneapolis/St Paul, and Ogden/SLC are regularly ranked at the top of burgeoning economies, right? Climate may have a VERY small part in the equation but that's it. Overregulation, excessive taxation, and overwhelming government are the real problems. One of the things Buffett said when they were tossing Gray Davis on the pire was the overwhelming need to make California "business friendly" again because so many high tech industries have fled the state in search of easier environments in which to do business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Which explains why places like Boise, Idaho, Minneapolis/St Paul, and Ogden/SLC are regularly ranked at the top of burgeoning economies, right? Climate may have a VERY small part in the equation but that's it. Overregulation, excessive taxation, and overwhelming government are the real problems. One of the things Buffett said when they were tossing Gray Davis on the pire was the overwhelming need to make California "business friendly" again because so many high tech industries have fled the state in search of easier environments in which to do business. 321588[/snapback] I hear you. More or less the overflow? Could the huge social system in the "Rust-Belt" sustain itself? The weight of that system left in a void had to be tremendous? Who was willing to take the hit? Modernization also factors into things. What supports such a system when things begin to leave for easier environements? Is it easy to throttle back? It really is a "slippery slope." I due time, other areas will suffer from the trappings of their success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 I hear you. More or less the overflow? Could the huge social system in the "Rust-Belt" sustain itself? The weight of that system left in a void had to be tremendous? Who was willing to take the hit? Modernization also factors into things. What supports such a system when things begin to leave for easier environements? Is it easy to throttle back? It really is a "slippery slope." I due time, other areas will suffer from the trappings of their success? 321630[/snapback] I think there is some validity to that idea. Mostly because governments tend not to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors. We can see it by looking no further than zoning laws. Someday the "cyclicness" of our society will lead to a rejuvination in WNY, though I doubt we'll be alive to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 I hear you. More or less the overflow? What over flow???? Could the huge social system in the "Rust-Belt" sustain itself? No friggin way The weight of that system left in a void had to be tremendous? Thats why people are leaving Who was willing to take the hit? You are, the lovely Democrats Modernization also factors into things. It'll never happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 What over flow????No friggin way Thats why people are leaving You are, the lovely Democrats It'll never happen 321644[/snapback] 1.)Boise, SLC, Minneapolis offer great natural areas. Truly against the norm of seeking fairer climates. 2.) No disputing that. Agree. 3.) They wouldn't be heading to repressive hot weather sites in the same numbers they are today if it weren't for modern technology. 4.) Actually, nobody is willing to "take the hit." That is the problem. Find someone that is willing to put the collective group ahead of feeding, supporting, and progressing their family? 5.) It does happen. Not at the same sites. It is always easier and cheaper to pack up and move and build new. Main reason for the steel industries decline in the NE and midwest. Just too daunting a task to stay abreast of modernization in these areas. But, sure... It is always easier to blame the lazy union worker, taxes, and hostile regulatory enviroment... Makes things nice and easy for the press. Don't get me wrong, those are factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted April 28, 2005 Author Share Posted April 28, 2005 Taxing their way to prosperity, one budget at a time. And the beat goes on - http://www.buffalonews.com/ Joe Donlon, 27, who lives in the Town of Tonawanda but works on Grand Island, doesn't have an alternate route to get to his job. "It'll be a huge impact," he said. "But I don't have a choice. It's like gasoline, you need to do it. You kind of adapt to the change. It doesn't make anybody happy. It's a shame - that's New York State for you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 And WTF does AC have to do with anything. 321586[/snapback] AC was developed in NY - the Carrier Corp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 AC was developed in NY - the Carrier Corp. 322191[/snapback] Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 And the beat goes on - http://www.buffalonews.com/ Joe Donlon, 27, who lives in the Town of Tonawanda but works on Grand Island, doesn't have an alternate route to get to his job. "It'll be a huge impact," he said. "But I don't have a choice. It's like gasoline, you need to do it. You kind of adapt to the change. It doesn't make anybody happy. It's a shame - that's New York State for you." 322035[/snapback] Bull crap! On nice days, why not bike to work? My siter lives on GI and bikes over the bridges to work. I think you have to pay a toll?... Yet, you save the gas? Even the seemingly impossible is possible? There is a will there is a way people! All you gotta do is try, things always work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 And WTF does AC have to do with anything. 321586[/snapback] I never answered this. Hasn't it been a boon for the deep south? With the oppressive summertime heat, makes life, business easier? I am pretty sure there are studies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 I never answered this. Hasn't it been a boon for the deep south? With the oppressive summertime heat, makes life, business easier? I am pretty sure there are studies? 322857[/snapback] Amazingly, EII is right. Hey, look! A flying pig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Amazingly, EII is right. Hey, look! A flying pig! 322859[/snapback] With Pink Floyd music playing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 I never answered this. Hasn't it been a boon for the deep south? With the oppressive summertime heat, makes life, business easier? I am pretty sure there are studies? 322857[/snapback] You need to go back and read the thread. BTW, Hows the fam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 You need to go back and read the thread. BTW, Hows the fam? 322907[/snapback] I know, I know... Noticed the smilies and sarcasm? I guess I shamelessly grapped attention? If I knew CTM was gonna validate me, I would have done it long ago! But, then again being validated by a "Crap Throwing Monkey" can't be all that great? They are doing fine... Thanks! And your's?... I bet the little one is growing up fast! I think we would all be doing better if this Northern Illinois spring warms up a bit so my AC can do its job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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