Royale with Cheese Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 On 3/22/2021 at 9:05 PM, Mr. WEO said: His agent would tell you what you already know doc, you don't leave money on the table. So we can safely assume there was none--or at least that's what each of these guys concluded (as did their agents.......after 6 weeks in Milano's case). Yeah, we all read about the "I was living on a couch (as I banked $4.4 million)" tear jerker. Come on! LOL. Are you really coming in with that? To remind you: it's a "one-bedroom, one-bathroom apartment in a renovated, red-brick building with exposed ductwork in downtown Buffalo". That's a primo Buffalo loft (or what passes for such). I said Milano was maybe looking at a 1 year contract after an injury plagued year, like Williams (who you brought up, without irony). It would take Williams another 1 year contract with another team before he made his money (and even then it's a short time deal). Beane is smart, not because he sold these guys on "the process". He reasonably wanted these pieces of the team to stay and painted them a clear picture of what was very likely out there (or not) for them. These guys were not in solid positions to really bargain hard (Milano is the only one remotely close) and he knew that. Soon, he knew that too. He gave them all pretty generous offers for their value--not one of them as a discount. Weo, the agent doesn’t always tell their client to always take the money. It doesn’t sound like you have had conversations with pro athletes but I have. I know one ex baseball player that specifically took A LOT less to play for the Braves. It was simply because his favorite hunting spot was just outside of Atlanta. In the offseason, he just wants to hunt and fish. He’s a true redneck. He’s retired now, fat and bog beard...no one would recognize him. My best friend played for the Padres and Red Sox. He didn’t make it all the way but he knows a ton of people who did. One semi star was in his wedding. This guy turned down much bigger money just because he has kids now, developed strong friendships and didn’t want to move anymore. He considered moving back to the south to be closer to his parents and his wife’s parents but this new city was their home now. And I know a guy that actually visited the Bills but didn’t choose us because we didn’t offer enough. So yes, that does happen but not always. If money is what you’re looking for, then your agent works on that. If there’s other factors that you want to consider more than money, then the agent works on that. Now I have had these exact conversations with athletes about contracts....but I have the feeling you’re going to tell me I’m wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Pete said: The 2021 season is what, two weeks old? Relax mr glass is half empty, we have 5 months before the Bills first game lol. True dat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 51 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Weo, the agent doesn’t always tell their client to always take the money. It doesn’t sound like you have had conversations with pro athletes but I have. I know one ex baseball player that specifically took A LOT less to play for the Braves. It was simply because his favorite hunting spot was just outside of Atlanta. In the offseason, he just wants to hunt and fish. He’s a true redneck. He’s retired now, fat and bog beard...no one would recognize him. My best friend played for the Padres and Red Sox. He didn’t make it all the way but he knows a ton of people who did. One semi star was in his wedding. This guy turned down much bigger money just because he has kids now, developed strong friendships and didn’t want to move anymore. He considered moving back to the south to be closer to his parents and his wife’s parents but this new city was their home now. And I know a guy that actually visited the Bills but didn’t choose us because we didn’t offer enough. So yes, that does happen but not always. If money is what you’re looking for, then your agent works on that. If there’s other factors that you want to consider more than money, then the agent works on that. Now I have had these exact conversations with athletes about contracts....but I have the feeling you’re going to tell me I’m wrong. I appreciate the first hand info. My point is that lots of guys, due to COVID, were getting one year contracts. Milano, after an injury plagued year was possibly facing the same (perhaps other teams were not as impressed with him as a standout player as the Bills are and don't consider him a star on the rise). I have no reason someone in his camp put out the "top dollar" comment in the beginning of February. But as the weeks went by, I'm sure it became apparent to Team Milano that was not going to come close to happening. Beane no doubt just sat back and watched the market. Then he offered a multi=year deal for very good money for Milano. I'm convinced the multi-year is what sold him on not testing the market, not just that he loves Buffalo. Beane expressed the reality of Milano's situation to him and his agent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 28 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I appreciate the first hand info. My point is that lots of guys, due to COVID, were getting one year contracts. Milano, after an injury plagued year was possibly facing the same (perhaps other teams were not as impressed with him as a standout player as the Bills are and don't consider him a star on the rise). I have no reason someone in his camp put out the "top dollar" comment in the beginning of February. But as the weeks went by, I'm sure it became apparent to Team Milano that was not going to come close to happening. Beane no doubt just sat back and watched the market. Then he offered a multi=year deal for very good money for Milano. I'm convinced the multi-year is what sold him on not testing the market, not just that he loves Buffalo. Beane expressed the reality of Milano's situation to him and his agent. McKenzie's quote: "For me, money didn't matter... If we were getting paid in candy, I would stay here... for the rest of my life." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I appreciate the first hand info. My point is that lots of guys, due to COVID, were getting one year contracts. Milano, after an injury plagued year was possibly facing the same (perhaps other teams were not as impressed with him as a standout player as the Bills are and don't consider him a star on the rise). I have no reason someone in his camp put out the "top dollar" comment in the beginning of February. But as the weeks went by, I'm sure it became apparent to Team Milano that was not going to come close to happening. Beane no doubt just sat back and watched the market. Then he offered a multi=year deal for very good money for Milano. I'm convinced the multi-year is what sold him on not testing the market, not just that he loves Buffalo. Beane expressed the reality of Milano's situation to him and his agent. I don’t think Milano would have gotten a tremendous amount more but still more. I genuinely think he loves Buffalo. You do too. Why can’t he? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, Big Turk said: McKenzie's quote: "For me, money didn't matter... If we were getting paid in candy, I would stay here... for the rest of my life." For a backup/depth guy/special teamer, sure--this was his best bet. He got a very generous raise raise for one year. If another team had offered 2 million for a year, or 1.2 over 3 years, he would have put down the candy and walked away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I don’t think Milano would have gotten a tremendous amount more but still more. I genuinely think he loves Buffalo. You do too. Why can’t he? No I'm sure he loves it here. In fact this is the best place in the league for him to be. I just don't think other fans/GMs see him the way that people here do as a upper tier talent. He's not a Pro Bowler/All Pro guy. He's a solid player. The Bills know that more than anyone, so he likely has value to the Bills more than any other team. As a young player already with an injury season that cost him a chunk of the year, he knows you don't have long to make money in this league, so you maximize the money when you can. Maybe if he didn't miss any games this year and played solid all season, the market would have been more open. He took the security of a multi-year contract with a team he wants to be on--over more money. That's what I think. And it makes sense. This isn't like Sanders taking whatever to get on a team that will possibly get him a SB ring this season before he retires... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: No I'm sure he loves it here. In fact this is the best place in the league for him to be. I just don't think other fans/GMs see him the way that people here do as a upper tier talent. He's not a Pro Bowler/All Pro guy. He's a solid player. The Bills know that more than anyone, so he likely has value to the Bills more than any other team. As a young player already with an injury season that cost him a chunk of the year, he knows you don't have long to make money in this league, so you maximize the money when you can. Maybe if he didn't miss any games this year and played solid all season, the market would have been more open. He took the security of a multi-year contract with a team he wants to be on--over more money. That's what I think. And it makes sense. This isn't like Sanders taking whatever to get on a team that will possibly get him a SB ring this season before he retires... It really seems that you know believe you know exactly what was in Milano's motivating factor and there's no way you're wrong. If Nelson Agohlor got $13 million a year and he's at best an average WR, Milano could have cashed in too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: It really seems that you know believe you know exactly what was in Milano's motivating factor and there's no way you're wrong. If Nelson Agohlor got $13 million a year and he's at best an average WR, Milano could have cashed in too. I clearly stated (over and over) this as my opinion (as such, by definition that implies an understanding that I could be wrong) as to why I think he took the deal in hand. I haven't hinted that I knew exactly what was in his mind. If some people want to believe young players looking for their second contracts would stay for love over money, that's fine for them to believe so. WR's get different (desperate need) money. And Agholor got 22 million (12 this year, 10 next) over 2 years, 16 guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I clearly stated (over and over) this as my opinion (as such, by definition that implies an understanding that I could be wrong) as to why I think he took the deal in hand. I haven't hinted that I knew exactly what was in his mind. If some people want to believe young players looking for their second contracts would stay for love over money, that's fine for them to believe so. WR's get different (desperate need) money. And Agholor got 22 million (12 this year, 10 next) over 2 years, 16 guaranteed. You always present your opinion like you can't be wrong, its your reputation on here. And no, any position gets desperate money. There's overpaid and underpaid players at every position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: For a backup/depth guy/special teamer, sure--this was his best bet. He got a very generous raise raise for one year. If another team had offered 2 million for a year, or 1.2 over 3 years, he would have put down the candy and walked away. Stop with this BS man. He already specifically said the Lions offered him more and added there were others that offered him more and he had 8 teams interested. Why do you keep going with this crap when its just simply wrong? It's like you have a one track mind that is determined to believe whatever you want whether or not the facts support it. FYI, the facts don't support it. Edited March 25, 2021 by Big Turk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: You always present your opinion like you can't be wrong, its your reputation on here. And no, any position gets desperate money. There's overpaid and underpaid players at every position. That's 100% false. I'm sure of it. 19 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Stop with this BS man. He already specifically said the Lions offered him more and added there were others that offered him more and he had 8 teams interested. Why do you keep going with this crap when its just simply wrong? It's like you have a one track mind that is determined to believe whatever you want whether or not the facts support it. FYI, the facts don't support it. maybe he did. no doubt that's what his agent would say. why only a year though? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: That's 100% false. I'm sure of it. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: That's 100% false. I'm sure of it. maybe he did. no doubt that's what his agent would say. why only a year though? Probably because there is likely more cap space next year and both sides know there will be more opportunity to work something else out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Probably because there is likely more cap space next year and both sides know there will be more opportunity to work something else out his signing doesn't challenge the cap--1.1 million, only 350k guaranteed. He would be easy to sign for 2-3 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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