Steve Billieve Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Really loving this head to head cap comparison: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ Not sure if this is a new feature, or just missed it because I usually look at cap stuff in the off-season. I love how you can see many of the problems the raiders have broken down. Obviously the dead cap they're carrying jumps out, but so does what they are paying for wide receivers. It's no wonder they are struggling with depth there. I don't know anything about it, but having there kicking on rookie contracts may be more mandatory than choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 That awkward 21.5 mil QB that you can just tell is good but not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Steve Billieve said: That awkward 21.5 mil QB that you can just tell is good but not good enough. His cap hit is 12th among QBs and it's only higher than 5 QBs past their rookie contract not signed to be backups. You could argue that he's better than at least 4 of them. Carr - 21.5M Alex Smith - 21.4M Jacoby Brissett - 21.375M Kirk Cousins - 20M Matt Ryan - 18.96M Carson Wentz - 18.66M Teddy Bridgewater - 14M My point isn't that Carr is good. My point is that this is the range that even moderately effective QBs get paid on their second deal. Any QB has a smaller cap hit than, on their second or further contract, is a backup or was signed to be a backup (Mariota 9.1M, Fitzpatrick 8M, Taylor 7.5M, Foles 6.6M, etc.) Before you scream, I realize there are QBs who have signed extensions that have lower cap hits right now, Mahomes and Watson come to mind, but the extensions haven't kicked in yet so technically this is still the rookie deal. Both of their cap hits go up astronomically next year when the extensions begin. By the time Carr's deal ends in a couple years his cap hit will be 19.9M and it won't look out of line for an average NFL starter. It's not really that out of line now given the dynamics. Edited October 4, 2020 by That's No Moon 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 Totally agree. I just love how easy it is to see the raiders have a good but not great qb. I think it is generally a bad idea to go with these types of players if your goal is a championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: His cap hit is 12th among QBs and it's only higher than 5 QBs past their rookie contract not signed to be backups. You could argue that he's better than at least 4 of them. Carr - 21.5M Alex Smith - 21.4M Jacoby Brissett - 21.375M Kirk Cousins - 20M Matt Ryan - 18.96M Carson Wentz - 18.66M Teddy Bridgewater - 14M My point isn't that Carr is good. My point is that this is the range that even moderately effective QBs get paid on their second deal. Any QB has a smaller cap hit than, on their second or further contract, is a backup or was signed to be a backup (Mariota 9.1M, Fitzpatrick 8M, Taylor 7.5M, Foles 6.6M, etc.) Before you scream, I realize there are QBs who have signed extensions that have lower cap hits right now, Mahomes and Watson come to mind, but the extensions haven't kicked in yet so technically this is still the rookie deal. Both of their cap hits go up astronomically next year when the extensions begin. By the time Carr's deal ends in a couple years his cap hit will be 19.9M and it won't look out of line for an average NFL starter. It's not really that out of line now given the dynamics. wow, Matt Ryan is a steal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, RyanC883 said: wow, Matt Ryan is a steal. His cap hit is 40.9M next year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: His cap hit is 40.9M next year. wow, never mind then 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: wow, never mind then His dead cap is even more if they cut him for some reason. He has been cap cheap. That ends next year and he will probably have at least 2 years of being cap expensive. It's all relative. In 2027, Pat Mahomes cap hit will be 59.9M. If Allen keep playing like he is people in Buffalo will lose their minds when they see his second contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 Averaging at 30 mil for Ryan's 5 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 44 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: His cap hit is 40.9M next year. Dang that might not have been a good contract for either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 There's some fat to trim from the Bills salary cap/roster after this year. Which means Beane needs to do even better in the draft, moving forward, in order to get better return-on-investment (ROI) from the second- and third-tier players. The first-tier group will command increasingly-large shares of the salary cap, if all goes well with Allen, Edmunds, Milano (shrug) and...anyone else soon? Looks like we don't get "our" money's worth in disruption from the D-line, innit? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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