There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

Texas might be closing up again. Spiking numbers there 

[B-Man]

 

No link / No truth Tiberius they call him...................

 

 

Pandemic Porn Purveyor 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Wow, this will have a lot of consequences. People will need to quit jobs to stay home with their children, people will have to hire a nanny to continue to work, people will home school their children (and take part in the home school socialization + sports), people will move to an area that offers in-person schooling... I could go on. 
 

Fairfax families have a choice for next school year: Two days on campus or full-time remote learning

Fairfax County Public Schools, one of the country’s largest districts, is asking families to choose between 100 percent virtual learning or part-time in-person schooling next year, one of the first concrete plans for fall released by schools nationwide.
 

The superintendent of the Northern Virginia district, which serves 189,000 students, announced the setup to parents in an email Wednesday morning, writing that all families will be able to choose between two enrollment options for the 2020-2021 school year.
 

In the first, students will receive “virtual, interactive instruction” four days each week, and they will never set foot on campus. In the second, students will attend school for at least two “full days” of instruction inside school buildings and participate in independent study and work on the remaining days.
 

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[RochesterRob]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Wow, this will have a lot of consequences. People will need to quit jobs to stay home with their children, people will have to hire a nanny to continue to work, people will home school their children (and take part in the home school socialization + sports), people will move to an area that offers in-person schooling... I could go on. 
 

Fairfax families have a choice for next school year: Two days on campus or full-time remote learning

Fairfax County Public Schools, one of the country’s largest districts, is asking families to choose between 100 percent virtual learning or part-time in-person schooling next year, one of the first concrete plans for fall released by schools nationwide.
 

The superintendent of the Northern Virginia district, which serves 189,000 students, announced the setup to parents in an email Wednesday morning, writing that all families will be able to choose between two enrollment options for the 2020-2021 school year.
 

In the first, students will receive “virtual, interactive instruction” four days each week, and they will never set foot on campus. In the second, students will attend school for at least two “full days” of instruction inside school buildings and participate in independent study and work on the remaining days.
 

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  I suspect that this is the tip of the iceberg nationally.  A lot of two paycheck homes will need a daycare option.  Might be good for local employment as there should be a net increase in the need to monitor children versus a bus driver who hauls 60 kids around twice per day or a lunch room monitor who tracks a few hundred kids per period.  Of course credentials and temperament will be more critical in somebody's home versus on a bus.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, RochesterRob said:

  I suspect that this is the tip of the iceberg nationally.  A lot of two paycheck homes will need a daycare option.  Might be good for local employment as there should be a net increase in the need to monitor children versus a bus driver who hauls 60 kids around twice per day or a lunch room monitor who tracks a few hundred kids per period.  Of course credentials and temperament will be more critical in somebody's home versus on a bus.

The FIRST thing I saw was it was all Trump's fault for clamping down on au pair visas.

There were some day care numbers that came out today as part of the unemployment numbers, and that industry has been hit hard. They closed down many (most) of the day cares (one of my nephews never stopped going, but I know he's in the minority).

I wonder if taxes go down as the need for new buildings goes down, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, aides, gym teachers, coaches, books, in-school nurses, etc. goes away?
 

[Kevbeau]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I wonder if taxes go down
 

??????

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

The FIRST thing I saw was it was all Trump's fault for clamping down on au pair visas.

There were some day care numbers that came out today as part of the unemployment numbers, and that industry has been hit hard. They closed down many (most) of the day cares (one of my nephews never stopped going, but I know he's in the minority).

I wonder if taxes go down as the need for new buildings goes down, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, aides, gym teachers, coaches, books, in-school nurses, etc. goes away?
 

  Daycare was hit hard as parents were laid off so they had the time to watch the kids and lacked the money to pay for daycare if they did not want to watch the kids.  Your scenario presupposes normal employment for parents versus continued problems in the economy.

  As to what happens with the school districts a lot will depend on what NEA does.  I'm surprised at the statements Cuomo has made to online schooling given NEA's stature in the Democratic Party.  Maybe Cuomo has NEA pegged as the dinosaur who has just seen the asteroid out of the corner of its eyes.

[Buffalo_Gal]

4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Daycare was hit hard as parents were laid off so they had the time to watch the kids and lacked the money to pay for daycare if they did not want to watch the kids.  Your scenario presupposes normal employment for parents versus continued problems in the economy.

  As to what happens with the school districts a lot will depend on what NEA does.  I'm surprised at the statements Cuomo has made to online schooling given NEA's stature in the Democratic Party.  Maybe Cuomo has NEA pegged as the dinosaur who has just seen the asteroid out of the corner of its eyes.

You think Cuomo is going to go against the teacher's union? That would shock me. Right now teachers are collecting from home. (Well, last check as the school year ends.) My niece (a teacher) took her daughter out of daycare and basically built a fort around their house. Funny part? Her SO works in the fire department and saw a ton of people on his days-on and yet no one was allowed near their house until two weeks ago. SMH

 

[RochesterRob]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

You think Cuomo is going to go against the teacher's union? That would shock me. Right now teachers are collecting from home. (Well, last check as the school year ends.) My niece (a teacher) took her daughter out of daycare and basically built a fort around their house. Funny part? Her SO works in the fire department and saw a ton of people on his days-on and yet no one was allowed near their house until two weeks ago. SMH

 

  Mentioning online schooling is most certain a shot across the bow.  Online schooling would open the gates for taxpayers to make pushbacks on staffing.  The argument for one teacher for every 24-30 students was there was no archiving of in class presentations.  So the distinction had to be made between fast learners and slow learners.  In high school those who were just hoping for a school degree versus those wanting a regent's diploma versus those who wanted AP to be noticed by certain colleges.  Now all materials can be down loaded and replayed to meet a student's need.  Add to that most districts in WNY have been or are under financial stress.  One of the fallouts to come out of the pandemic will be fewer businesses to contribute to the taxbase whether it be property taxes or otherwise.  My parents' generation who made the last big wide swath of career pay are dying off and so is their contribution to the school districts.  No way what's left in WNY in most districts will maintain home values when they are making 11.40 per hour at Quick Lube or Walmart when the last owner was an engineer at some area company making three times the wage.

Edited June 25, 2020 by RochesterRob

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  Mentioning online schooling is most certain a shot across the bow.  Online schooling would open the gates for taxpayers to make pushbacks on staffing.  The argument for one teacher for every 24-30 students was there was no archiving of in class presentations.  So the distinction had to be made between fast learners and slow learners.  In high school those who were just hoping for a school degree versus those wanting a regent's diploma versus those who wanted AP to be noticed by certain colleges.  Now all materials can be down loaded and replayed to meet a student's need.  Add to that most districts in WNY have been or are under financial stress.  One of the fallouts to come out of the pandemic will be fewer businesses to contribute to the taxbase whether it be property taxes or otherwise.  My parents' generation who made the last big wide swath of career pay are dying off and so is there contribution to the school districts.  No way what's left in WNY in most districts will maintain home value when they are making 11.40 at Quick Lube or Walmart when the last owner was an engineer at some area company making three times the wage.

Williamsville school budget. Approved last week.

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Williamsville school budget. Approved last week.

  I don't know the district so it is impossible for me to evaluate the article.  I still see most WNY districts under financial stress and given the impact of COVID 19 on state coffers expect state aid most likely will be reduced.  Cuomo's statements might be considered softening the eventual blow on district finances.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, RochesterRob said:

  I don't know the district so it is impossible for me to evaluate the article.  I still see most WNY districts under financial stress and given the impact of COVID 19 on state coffers expect state aid most likely will be reduced.  Cuomo's statements might be considered softening the eventual blow on district finances.  

Oh, it is a top school district in WNY. It runs from Amherst through Clarence.  I am attaching a snip of a map as I could not get the link from google.

 

[RochesterRob]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Oh, it is a top school district in WNY. It runs from Amherst through Clarence.  I am attaching a snip of a map as I could not get the link from google.

 

  Did I read it right that its annual budget is 199M dollars?  Seems like a lot of money.

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  Did I read it right that its annual budget is 199M dollars?  Seems like a lot of money.

So, some data:

2017 numbers, NYS spends the most per student.
Here is a 2016 breakdown on where that money goes.

A lot of NYS schools have their per student spending online here.
 

[Koko78]

25 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Did I read it right that its annual budget is 199M dollars?  Seems like a lot of money.

 

Williamsville has a *****ton of money living there.

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Williamsville has a *****ton of money living there.

  In any event I would say that my point is valid for most of the districts in WNY especially in the outlying areas.

[Magox]

 

 

This is an interesting report.

 

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The Labor Department’s jobless report came in worst than expected as 1.48 million Americans filed for state unemployment benefits during the week ended June 20, marking the 14th straight week that filings remained above 1 million. Economists polled by Dow Jones had expected first-time applications to total 1.35 million.Though the weekly number did disappoint, one bright spot was that the total number of those receiving benefits continued to fall. Total recipients of unemployment benefits, or continuing claims, fell by 767,000 to 19.52 million.

 

On one hand, you have a stubbornly high amount of people continuing to file for unemployment benefits and on the other you have less overall people receiving them, which shows that there is a lot of rehiring.

 

This sort of underscores a point that I was making to a friend of mine the other day.  This is not the sort of recovery where everything will just snap back or is fully dependent on whether or not a company is allowed to come online, and smooth sailing ahead.  Even though some of these companies are reopening they are still struggling, they have to operate at less than full capacity.  It's difficult to sustain that for many small businesses, so unless some sort of urgent action of additional stimulus is provided for these small businesses, I do think we will continue to keep seeing lots of layoffs for some time while seeing lots of companies and employees coming back online.

 

Definitely some crosscurrents are at play.

 

 

[RochesterRob]

27 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

This is an interesting report.

 

 

On one hand, you have a stubbornly high amount of people continuing to file for unemployment benefits and on the other you have less overall people receiving them, which shows that there is a lot of rehiring.

 

This sort of underscores a point that I was making to a friend of mine the other day.  This is not the sort of recovery where everything will just snap back or is fully dependent on whether or not a company is allowed to come online, and smooth sailing ahead.  Even though some of these companies are reopening they are still struggling, they have to operate at less than full capacity.  It's difficult to sustain that for many small businesses, so unless some sort of urgent action of additional stimulus is provided for these small businesses, I do think we will continue to keep seeing lots of layoffs for some time while seeing lots of companies and employees coming back online.

 

Definitely some crosscurrents are at play.

 

 

  Does not matter what side of the aisle your politics are this is far from over.  We are seeing temporary improvement because businesses are going to give it their best shot and you can't blame them.  But the damage has been already done for many.  Going to have to see almost a rebirth of the credit industry as businesses will need all kinds of support to stay afloat.  It will be nearly impossible for many businesses to pay a 30 day supplier account on time for a while.  American Express and others will have to resist the urge to throw debtors in the usury prison once the good feelings that go along with buying off the media go away.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

More on schools:
 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

This is good news: