R. Rich Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Why's Rob Johnson on your list? Bastard. 290115[/snapback] Better late than never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Really? 290105[/snapback] It's amazing that they waved the 5 year rule for a guy still playing in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 we beat the dolphins twice in 2002, and they finished 10-6. 290116[/snapback] whoops! scratch that - the phins were 9-7 in 02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 If Drew Bledsoe makes the HoF, he'll be the worst pure QB in the house. Not even close. Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD TOTAL | 140 | 1886 3762 50.1 27663 7.4 173 220 | 71 140 7 TOTAL | 172 | 3449 6049 57.0 39808 6.6 221 181 | 343 686 6 TOTAL | 168 | 2025 3901 51.9 27989 7.2 212 210 | 444 2257 32 TOTAL | 175 | 1814 3700 49.0 26768 7.2 196 243 | 611 2451 25 TOTAL | 161 | 1926 3429 56.2 25092 7.3 192 172 | 261 994 7 So which of these is the "worst" pure QB? 4 of them are in the HoF, 1 isn't. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 So which of these is the "worst" pure QB? 4 of them are in the HoF, 1 isn't. 290139[/snapback] Easy. The one not in the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Easy. The one not in the HOF. 290142[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Drew = a 'nice' Jeff George. If he didn't have a cannon for an arm he never would have lasted more than a few years in the NFL as he has none of the 'intangibles'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 290146[/snapback] So you'd take Drew Bledsoe over Bob Griese, Bobby Layne, Terry Bradshaw, and Joe Namath? You'd be awfully lonely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 So you'd take Drew Bledsoe over Bob Griese, Bobby Layne, Terry Bradshaw, and Joe Namath? You'd be awfully lonely. 290158[/snapback] Didn't say that. But you claimed that Bledsoe is the worst pure QB compared to anyone in the HoF, and the stats don't back up your assessment. Bradshaw, for example, threw well more INTs than he did TDs, and his completion percentage is 50%! CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Didn't say that. But you claimed that Bledsoe is the worst pure QB compared to anyone in the HoF, and the stats don't back up your assessment. Bradshaw, for example, threw well more INTs than he did TDs, and his completion percentage is 50%!CW 290164[/snapback] Bradshaw didn't throw more interceptions than TDs. He threw 212 TDs and 210 Ints. He also can't hear Drew's case because he put his 4 SB rings in his ears. You know, the one's he earned by actually playing in the big game 4 times (2 MVPs). It was also a significantly different era of pass defense. Give Bradshaw, Swann, and Stallworth today's rules and watch the numbers roll up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 whoops! scratch that - the phins were 9-7 in 02. 290123[/snapback] Good catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TDTOTAL | 140 | 1886 3762 50.1 27663 7.4 173 220 | 71 140 7 TOTAL | 172 | 3449 6049 57.0 39808 6.6 221 181 | 343 686 6 TOTAL | 168 | 2025 3901 51.9 27989 7.2 212 210 | 444 2257 32 TOTAL | 175 | 1814 3700 49.0 26768 7.2 196 243 | 611 2451 25 TOTAL | 161 | 1926 3429 56.2 25092 7.3 192 172 | 261 994 7 So which of these is the "worst" pure QB? 4 of them are in the HoF, 1 isn't. CW 290139[/snapback] If the 2nd one is Bledsoe, which I assume he is....look at how many more ATTEMPTS he has then the others, its staggering!!!! 6049, and the 2nd highest is 3901. Big big difference, and explains the yardage difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Bradshaw didn't throw more interceptions than TDs. He threw 212 TDs and 210 Ints. He also can't hear Drew's case because he put his 4 SB rings in his ears. You know, the one's he earned by actually playing in the big game 4 times (2 MVPs). It was also a significantly different era of pass defense. Give Bradshaw, Swann, and Stallworth today's rules and watch the numbers roll up. 290167[/snapback] Bradshaw sucked. The Steelers suck. Everything about the Steelers sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 If the 2nd one is Bledsoe, which I assume he is....look at how many more ATTEMPTS he has then the others, its staggering!!!! 6049, and the 2nd highest is 3901. Big big difference, and explains the yardage difference. 290176[/snapback] Yes it is. And even with those staggering attempts, he still has less INTs than half of the rest of them. He's nowhere near as bad as everyone is trying to make him out to be. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 He's nowhere near as bad as everyone is trying to make him out to be. 290197[/snapback] Nor anywhere near a HOFer - even with 40K yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 No......Brady has 3 Super Bowl rings......Favre has 1 ring, and is/was the anti-thesis of Bledsoe. If the media brought out the knee pads, it was for Favre, not Drew. And Manning? Well.....Manning took Bledsoe's idea of statistical glory and added a heaping pile of steroids to it. 290054[/snapback] No, I quite specifically am not arguing that Bledsoe is better Brady or Favre. In fact, I think that both are clearly much better than Bledsoe and have flat out said that NE did the right thing cutting Bledsoe and keeping Brady What i argued and which was better refuted by someone noting that in the last 10 years the HOF committee did not choose a QB at all is that Bledsoe will face some weak competition of eligible QBs due to when folks retire and that is what will get him in. I noted that I did not know off hand what the HOF record of selection has been and I for one am pleased as punch to see that Felser and the boys did seem to make their choices based on player assessment rather than popularity and thus approrpriately skipped naming QBs most years as in my book they are just another player. Still, the math really helps Bledsoe out as when he likely retires (after a year or two) his competition will not be the better player Brady (who has another 7+ in him at least unless he gets hurt or pulls a Wickey, but actually folks like Jeff Blake, Rodney Peete, Tony Banks and Doug Flutie. Favre will easily get in before Bledsoe (assuming he retires after this year and Bledsoe hangs on for couple) but anyone who wants to make a statiscally based case that Bledsoe won't get in needs to demonstrate that the HOF Committee will be men enough to replicate the 5 years in a row they passed on taking a QB (and likely more years actually) that they had in the late 90s or argue that Vinny Testaverde is a better candidate than Bledsoe. My guess is that Farve goes in on the 1st ballot whatever the waiting time after retirement is and that Bledsoe probably goes in soon after. Do you have enough confidence in the HOF Comm to hold out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Nor anywhere near a HOFer - even with 40K yards. 290204[/snapback] What if he ends up with 80,000 yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 What if he ends up with 80,000 yards? 290222[/snapback] Maybe we can create some sort of chart for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 What if he ends up with 80,000 yards? 290222[/snapback] He would suck. If he takes Dallas to the superbowl, he still sucks. How dare you ask a question like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Who are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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