Fadingpain Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) Who's watching? What do you think? We are now through 4 episodes and it is slowly getting better. The pace of the show is too slow; it focuses on the various character relationships more than the actual murder mystery (would prefer it the other way around), and it relies way too heavily on gimmicky flashbacks or flash forwards or fantasy sequences such that it is sometimes hard to know what the hell is going on. Still pretty good TV though, as is the norm for HBO. Edited July 31, 2018 by Fadingpain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 We had't missed an episode until Sunday night, even then we DVR'd it. I'll watch probably tonight but to be honest the show is so depressing i found myself dreading watching it because there are literally no high points to the show at all, it's just more self abuse and then more back story of abuse, then more self abuse wrapped up in a cocoon of drinking vodka through a smart water bottle. The writing is good, and it's well made but i won't miss it when it's gone. I'd much rather see a new season of American Gods. That show (minus one episode) was fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Soda Popinski said: We had't missed an episode until Sunday night, even then we DVR'd it. I'll watch probably tonight but to be honest the show is so depressing i found myself dreading watching it because there are literally no high points to the show at all, it's just more self abuse and then more back story of abuse, then more self abuse wrapped up in a cocoon of drinking vodka through a smart water bottle. The writing is good, and it's well made but i won't miss it when it's gone. I'd much rather see a new season of American Gods. That show (minus one episode) was fantastic. The writing and acting is really good, across the board. But I don't disagree with most of your negative review. It is pretty bleak. Any theories on who the murderer is? I have been saying from the word "go" that it is either the controlling mom who runs the town, or she is at least in on it and knows who the murderer is, but protects him/her for some reason. I also think the murderer will prove to be a woman, largely b/c the show has gone out of its way to make it clear the killer will be a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just started episode 2 and agree with what you said. Although I just noticed in the recap before the episode that she had the word ‘vanish’ carved into her arm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, Fadingpain said: The writing and acting is really good, across the board. But I don't disagree with most of your negative review. It is pretty bleak. Any theories on who the murderer is? I have been saying from the word "go" that it is either the controlling mom who runs the town, or she is at least in on it and knows who the murderer is, but protects him/her for some reason. I also think the murderer will prove to be a woman, largely b/c the show has gone out of its way to make it clear the killer will be a man. I think it's the dad who listens to music on that crazy stereo. You're right it is really pushing the male murderer down your throat and yea 90% sure it's going to end up being a woman just because... But I'm going with the guy who could have some issues and appears to be the least threatening person on the entire show. He doesn't sleep with the mom per their last conversation so he's free all night to go murder crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 I think the stepdad is a strong contender to be the murderer as well. There was a scene in one of the episodes where someone said the crimes are akin to rape, i.e., the perp is in need of exerting control over the victim. So the cops should look for someone who has no control in his/her regular life. The stepfather fits that description perfectly. 30 minutes ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said: Just started episode 2 and agree with what you said. Although I just noticed in the recap before the episode that she had the word ‘vanish’ carved into her arm... I started out enjoying the whole thing with written words appearing in the episodes at various times, and was pausing/rewinding to read what they were showing us...but ultimately I think it's just there as candy for those who enjoy following such things. I don't think it will have any impact on the plot, nor do I think they are trying to reveal something important to us by the words they show. As an aside, I'm glad I don't have the compulsion to slice my skin open with a razor blade! That is nasty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Definitely could not be a cutter. Takes a special kind of messed up to slice yourself on purpose. I get enough of that accidentally. I was washing a coffee cup at work yesterday and the handle broke in my hand, sliced my thumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 23 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Who's watching? What do you think? We are now through 4 episodes and it is slowly getting better. The pace of the show is too slow; I bailed after two episodes because it was too slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 33 minutes ago, bbb said: I bailed after two episodes because it was too slow. I have been critical of the show for the same reason. It definitely moves a bit too slowly IMO. There is still enough there for me to see it through to the end. What is it? 8 or 10 episodes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: I have been critical of the show for the same reason. It definitely moves a bit too slowly IMO. There is still enough there for me to see it through to the end. What is it? 8 or 10 episodes? I'm not sure but this last episode I watched last night and it did not move the story forward one bit. Stuff happened, but nothing gave you any kind of answers to anything. I'm starting to think the reveal is going to end up being very much a letdown. You can only have so much buildup. They surpassed that 2 episodes ago. Yes she drinks, yes she self abuses, yes the little sister is kind of a B when she drinks. Can we get to the part where something happens now and not 20 years ago yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 Just now, Soda Popinski said: I'm not sure but this last episode I watched last night and it did not move the story forward one bit. Stuff happened, but nothing gave you any kind of answers to anything. I'm starting to think the reveal is going to end up being very much a letdown. You can only have so much buildup. They surpassed that 2 episodes ago. Yes she drinks, yes she self abuses, yes the little sister is kind of a B when she drinks. Can we get to the part where something happens now and not 20 years ago yet? I hear you. The show has chosen to focus more on character development and the interpersonal relationships of the various characters than developing the actual crime plot in a traditional manner. I wish it was just the other way around. It's really not a traditional "who done it" show, and it suffers for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Fadingpain said: I hear you. The show has chosen to focus more on character development and the interpersonal relationships of the various characters than developing the actual crime plot in a traditional manner. I wish it was just the other way around. It's really not a traditional "who done it" show, and it suffers for it. Well they can do both with a little more balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Soda Popinski said: Well they can do both with a little more balance Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) Never watched. Sharp objects were bad when I was a wee little jerk, ya dig? Edited August 1, 2018 by The Jerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 have this teed up in the DVR..yall have convinced me to just delete. Thank You! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: have this teed up in the DVR..yall have convinced me to just delete. Thank You! Succession OTOH, highly recommended. Edited August 1, 2018 by stony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 24 minutes ago, stony said: Succession OTOH, highly recommended. I have been watching that. Don’t love nor hate , but Shiv fits in the average looking I am attracted to category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: I have been watching that. Don’t love nor hate , but Shiv fits in the average looking I am attracted to category. Yup, Shiv is good light, bad light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 8 hours ago, Fadingpain said: I have been critical of the show for the same reason. It definitely moves a bit too slowly IMO. There is still enough there for me to see it through to the end. What is it? 8 or 10 episodes? I think it's 8. Can't do it, either way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 i was never interested in Succession. rich people problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 I saw the commercials for Succession and was hoping it would be good. I then watched the first 10 minutes of episode 1 and pulled the plug. Didn't do it for me. Have been watching Season 1 of "Bored to Death" on HBO this week. 1/2 hour episodes but a pretty fun, well written, light TV show. Ten Danson is good in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Ok where are we at on this thing now? I saw the last episode and seriously nothing happened. You get snippets of back story here and there but by and large the lack of anything is making me lose interest. I wasn't terribly interested to begin with and now that Preacher is getting good and Better Call Saul is back on, plus that new one the Lodge looks pretty good i may stop watching all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: Ok where are we at on this thing now? I saw the last episode and seriously nothing happened. You get snippets of back story here and there but by and large the lack of anything is making me lose interest. I wasn't terribly interested to begin with and now that Preacher is getting good and Better Call Saul is back on, plus that new one the Lodge looks pretty good i may stop watching all together. There are only a few episodes left. It isn't an ongoing series, but just a miniseries. It has 8 episodes in total. I thought the last episode was lame too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 12 hours ago, Fadingpain said: There are only a few episodes left. It isn't an ongoing series, but just a miniseries. It has 8 episodes in total. I thought the last episode was lame too. They can wrap it up any time now. I still think the dad did it. But I'm guessing there is some kind of crazy turn at the end. Does it feel a little bit like HBO saw Three Billboards outside Ebbing Missouri and decided "hey we can make a different version of that and add some side stories to it"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 The story has really chosen to focus on character development and relationships rather than a riveting crime solving plot. It suffers for it! In that last episode, you were supposed to have been wowed by investigator Richard Willis and Camille having hardcore sex and further developing their relationship in that manner; also the little half sister Amma sees and learns of Camille's cutting/scars for the first time. The father of the killed kid goes after John (I think it is) at the festival accusing him of being the murderer, showing us he is having trouble dealing with his grief and probably is not the murderer himself, despite some initial suspicion. So stuff is happening, but the problem is none of it is very compelling. A lot of the characters are not sympathetic or interesting and so we don't really care what happens to them. The melancholy flavor to the whole show, all the time, can also be tough to swallow...and the entire relationship between Camille and her mother is not believable. Camille is supposed to be this tough, hardened chick--a survivor--who had the gumption to get out of her small home town and interact with the world at large. No way would she stay at her mom's house and let her mom dick her around as she does, time and time again. No way! Camille would have told her mom off on Day 1 and gone to a hotel. On top of this, Adora, the mom, is just not a likable character but she gets tons of dialogue and on-screen time. The story is based on a novel by Gillian Flynn; I haven't read that but I hope it was better than the series so far. I don't know if the book itself was this boring or if it was just very poorly adapted for the screen. As it is, I will stick it out for a few more episodes and see what happens...if anything actually does happen! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 That's a pretty summary of the whole deal. Sometimes I forget this thing has two murders going on no one seems to care that there is still a murderer running around. Just had a thought. The girl who was murdered, her brothers GF could be a serious suspect. She's crazy, she flipped none of her info was in the lastest article. She was bleaching something under her bed in the episode last. Seems like the kind of jealous little psyho that could kill her friends for liking her BF and then kill his sister out of jealousy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: The story has really chosen to focus on character development and relationships rather than a riveting crime solving plot. It suffers for it! In that last episode, you were supposed to have been wowed by investigator Richard Willis and Camille having hardcore sex and further developing their relationship in that manner; also the little half sister Amma sees and learns of Camille's cutting/scars for the first time. The father of the killed kid goes after John (I think it is) at the festival accusing him of being the murderer, showing us he is having trouble dealing with his grief and probably is not the murderer himself, despite some initial suspicion. So stuff is happening, but the problem is none of it is very compelling. A lot of the characters are not sympathetic or interesting and so we don't really care what happens to them. The melancholy flavor to the whole show, all the time, can also be tough to swallow...and the entire relationship between Camille and her mother is not believable. Camille is supposed to be this tough, hardened chick--a survivor--who had the gumption to get out of her small home town and interact with the world at large. No way would she stay at her mom's house and let her mom dick her around as she does, time and time again. No way! Camille would have told her mom off on Day 1 and gone to a hotel. On top of this, Adora, the mom, is just not a likable character but she gets tons of dialogue and on-screen time. The story is based on a novel by Gillian Flynn; I haven't read that but I hope it was better than the series so far. I don't know if the book itself was this boring or if it was just very poorly adapted for the screen. As it is, I will stick it out for a few more episodes and see what happens...if anything actually does happen! Wait, what? Amy Adams in hardcore sex? I may have to rethink my decision to ditch this series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, bbb said: Wait, what? Amy Adams in hardcore sex? I may have to rethink my decision to ditch this series No lights on, fully clothed, awkward as all get out and unimpressive. Monster's ball was much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 46 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said: No lights on, fully clothed, awkward as all get out and unimpressive. Monster's ball was much better. Thanks for saving me time! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Soda Popinski said: That's a pretty summary of the whole deal. Sometimes I forget this thing has two murders going on no one seems to care that there is still a murderer running around. Just had a thought. The girl who was murdered, her brothers GF could be a serious suspect. She's crazy, she flipped none of her info was in the lastest article. She was bleaching something under her bed in the episode last. Seems like the kind of jealous little psyho that could kill her friends for liking her BF and then kill his sister out of jealousy too. Interesting theory; could easily pan out! Remember that reference to the "lady in white" or something like that? Like part of the local folklore about sightings of someone in the woods or whatever? We initially saw lots of characters saying "no way this was a woman" but since we have since some things to make me wonder. Maybe the crazy assed girlfriend is the lady in white. 20 minutes ago, bbb said: Thanks for saving me time! It was absolutely lame, and to top it off, Amy Adams is a "cutter" whose body has zillions of words scarred all over it. It's kind of gross when they show her with a shirt off (wearing a bra). She's deliberately engaged in sex acts twice now with this detective dude with her clothes on, because she doesn't want him to see all the word scars and get the creeps. PS: If you want to see lots of good sex/nudity scenes in an HBO TV show, watch the early seasons of Game of Thrones, if you haven't already. Great stuff; there are many female characters almost all of whom are hot in various ways. Edited August 8, 2018 by Fadingpain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 14 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: No lights on, fully clothed, awkward as all get out and unimpressive. Monster's ball was much better. Speaking of Monster's Ball, what was the significance of the hand with the bird in the cage in that sex scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 11, 2018 Author Share Posted August 11, 2018 On August 9, 2018 at 6:45 AM, ChevyVanMiller said: Speaking of Monster's Ball, what was the significance of the hand with the bird in the cage in that sex scene? I never saw that movie but now I'm intrigued! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Two episodes left I think. Really thinking it is the girl with the bite taken out of her ear, would make sense to remove the teeth. Definitely an attention seeker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 On August 13, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Soda Popinski said: Two episodes left I think. Really thinking it is the girl with the bite taken out of her ear, would make sense to remove the teeth. Definitely an attention seeker Could be, but then the show has tried her to point a finger at her as sort of a shady character with some flaws. Yes, 2 to go. Thank goodness! I will see it through to the end, but I really haven't enjoyed it and it has dragged on with such a slow pace. Could have been reduced to 4 or 5 instead of 8 episodes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 14 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Could be, but then the show has tried her to point a finger at her as sort of a shady character with some flaws. Yes, 2 to go. Thank goodness! I will see it through to the end, but I really haven't enjoyed it and it has dragged on with such a slow pace. Could have been reduced to 4 or 5 instead of 8 episodes. agreed 100% This didn't have to go on as long as it did. Alcohol and self abuse, we got it pretty much on the first episode. But they are just hammering it home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 Soda Popinski, where are you?! Did you see the new episode last night!? By far the best one to date with lots happening and finally some interesting plot twists. I won't say more until you and others have had a chance to see the new episode. Only 1 left to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 18 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Soda Popinski, where are you?! Did you see the new episode last night!? By far the best one to date with lots happening and finally some interesting plot twists. I won't say more until you and others have had a chance to see the new episode. Only 1 left to go. Just watched it last night, sunday I we were watching something else, but I always DVR. Ok so I guess now we know part of the story but I don't think that's the end all be all of it. Anti-Climatic really. And some of the scenes in this show....just....drag....on....FOREVER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 10 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: Just watched it last night, sunday I we were watching something else, but I always DVR. Ok so I guess now we know part of the story but I don't think that's the end all be all of it. Anti-Climatic really. And some of the scenes in this show....just....drag....on....FOREVER I thought it was pretty good to be honest. Yes, I don't think the mom or her husband have anything to do with the murder of the 2 girls in town. They don't have the stomach for that. I'm liking your theory about Ashley being the murderer more and more all the time. Or at least somehow related. I also have the little sister, Amma near the top of the suspect list! I'm curious about the blood found under the bed at Ashley and John Keene's house. It's supposed to be linking John to the murders, but we pretty much know he is not the murderer. So how did it get there? Maybe it's not his or the murder victim's blood after all, maybe it was planted, maybe it is there via some innocent explanation. The good news we only have 1 to go and I assume they will finally reveal who did it. Although it occurred to me the other day that they don't necessarily have to! Just end the show without ever finding a murderer...the show has been so frustrating I wouldn't put that past them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 If Ashley planted blood there to frame her boyfriend it makes sense she killed one of the girls, and her motives are pretty plain, she just wants to be on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 7 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: If Ashley planted blood there to frame her boyfriend it makes sense she killed one of the girls, and her motives are pretty plain, she just wants to be on TV. It could go that way, but she's kind of a stupid person. I don't think she could have done 1 or both murders and gotten away with it for this long. Then again, the quality of the police work in town is not that great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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