PromoTheRobot Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, horned dogs said: Disagree. O'Brien was a good, perhaps very good, QB who had success with the Jets. From memory he led the league in passing and made the Pro Bowl on some very good Jets teams. Eason wasn't terrible, he was serviceable perhaps good at one point, and QB the Patriots to the SB one year but had a relatively short career. So perhaps meh you're right there. Blackledge was a washout. So 3 HOFs, 1 very good , 1 meh to decent, 1 washout. Probably can't expect any better in any QB draft. My point is we don't want serviceable. Tyrod was serviceable. We want the second coming of Jim Kelly. Really we want the second coming of Tom Brady! Anything less will mean we are still looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 5:22 PM, The Jokeman said: Marino had rumors swirling about marijuana that caused his draft stock to fall. Were gas masks involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that if you look deeper you’d find that some of these ‘busts’ were due to poor, or constantly changing, coaching and/or a lack of players around them. I find it hard to believe that a college QB could be this closely scrutinized and suddenly turn into garbage. I’m of the mindset to see the Bills draft a guy with the size and resume against top competition from a major conference. He may not turn into John Elway but he’s not going to suck. Sorry, but it doesn't matter how "deep" you go, teams miss on QBs more frequently than other top ten positions, probably because the position requires much more in the way of intangibles than most other positions, and the guys who may have the physical ability don't necessarily have the intangibles like being able to read Ds, having good reaction time, and/or making good decisions (JP Losman) while the opposite is also common (Ryan Fitzpatrick). 4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: My point is we don't want serviceable. Tyrod was serviceable. We want the second coming of Jim Kelly. Really we want the second coming of Tom Brady! Anything less will mean we are still looking. Well, "we" don't always get what we want. Getting a serviceable QB with the Bills drafting at 21 is realistically about the best the Bills can expect. The best QBs to come out of the bottom of the first round since 2000 are Chad Pennington (2001), Aaron Rodgers (2005), Joe Flacco (2018), and Teddy Bridgewater (2014). All the others drafted after pick #16 sucked. Trading up into the top ten doesn't guarantee a team drafting the next Jim Kelly either. In the last 10 years, the first ten picks have yielded these busts or just serviceable QBs: Mark Sanchez (2009), Jake Locker (2011), Blaine Gabbert (2011), Robert Griffin III (2012), Ryan Tannehill (2012), Blake Bortles (2014). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, SoTier said: Well, "we" don't always get what we want. Getting a serviceable QB with the Bills drafting at 21 is realistically about the best the Bills can expect. The best QBs to come out of the bottom of the first round since 2000 are Chad Pennington (2001), Aaron Rodgers (2005), Joe Flacco (2018), and Teddy Bridgewater (2014). All the others drafted after pick #16 sucked. Trading up into the top ten doesn't guarantee a team drafting the next Jim Kelly either. In the last 10 years, the first ten picks have yielded these busts or just serviceable QBs: Mark Sanchez (2009), Jake Locker (2011), Blaine Gabbert (2011), Robert Griffin III (2012), Ryan Tannehill (2012), Blake Bortles (2014). I'm just saying this quest for the perfect QB will never end because no one will ever live up to expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Face the facts..about 95% of the draft is a crap shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 4 hours ago, SoTier said: Sorry, but it doesn't matter how "deep" you go, teams miss on QBs more frequently than other top ten positions, probably because the position requires much more in the way of intangibles than most other positions, and the guys who may have the physical ability don't necessarily have the intangibles like being able to read Ds, having good reaction time, and/or making good decisions (JP Losman) while the opposite is also common (Ryan Fitzpatrick). With all due respect NEITHER Losman or Fitz came from a top conference or a top program, and neither played against top competition. So, neither fits my criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 11 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: With all due respect NEITHER Losman or Fitz came from a top conference or a top program, and neither played against top competition. So, neither fits my criteria. I used them as Bills specific examples of QBs who had either excellent physical or intangible traits but not enough of both to be successful. Feel free to use your own examples of first or even second round QBs who were "doomed" by their situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I look at it different. In 1983, a total of 16 quarterbacks were drafted. None of the guys drafted after the 1st Round were able to start even 10 games during their ENTIRE NFL career. Out of the top 6 prospects identified by NFL scouts, there were 3 who eventually made the Hall of Fame (John Elway, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino). One of them (Ken O'Brien) was a decent starter for several years. Yes, the scouts were wrong about Todd Blackledge and Tony Eason. But overall, they had a very good idea which QBs had the best chance to succeed, and which ones were the long shots. It was not a total crap-shoot. It was a calculated gamble - and even though certain players had much higher odds of success, there were always risks of them busting. When it comes to drafting a 1st Round Quarterback, I see arguments against it EVERY SINGLE YEAR. That's because drafting a QB early is always a risky proposition. No other position in the NFL has a more difficult learning curve than QB. No other position has a higher bust rate than QB. No other position requires as large of an investment as the QB. No other position has a large of an impact as a QB. If you a draft a QB in the 1st Round (say JP Losman or EJ Manuel), your franchise's success over the next 3-5 years will hinge almost entirely on THAT ONE PLAYER. If he busts, it destroys the reputation of the front office and coaching staff that put faith in him. If he busts, it pulls the rest of the team down to the ground. But if you draft another busted position in the 1st Round (Aaron Maybin), it can be a mistake much more easily swept under the rug, and the rest of the team doesn't suffer as badly. NFL history shows what kind of quarterback you need to have, in order to constantly contend for a championship. You don't pass on a top prospect, because you are afraid of getting Tony Eason. You don't pass on a top prospect, because you are hoping to get Tom Brady in the 6th Round. You take the top prospect, because it's your best chance of landing a guy like Elway, Kelly or Marino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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