Deranged Rhino Posted February 16, 2018 Author Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:09 PM, Cinga said: Uranium One? Expand Looks to be election related. Waiting for the actual indictment to drop then will link it. (should show up here after the press conference: https://www.justice.gov/news )
Warren Zevon Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
Deranged Rhino Posted February 16, 2018 Author Posted February 16, 2018 Here it is: https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rwUFGxaf6nlA/v0 Internet Research Agency LLC That has quite the history...
gatorbait Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:10 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Looks to be election related. Expand Please take it easy on me for this one rhino because I am actually being sincere about it and would like your knowledge/opinion. Why would there be multiple indictments if Russia or Russians had nothing to do with the election?
row_33 Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 snicker, they have "justice" and "gov" on the same url On 2/16/2018 at 6:15 PM, gatorbait said: Please take it easy on me for this one rhino because I am actually being sincere about it and would like your knowledge/opinion. Why would there be multiple indictments if Russia or Russians had nothing to do with the election? Expand rounding up all the witches and Communists 2010s-style....
GG Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:11 PM, garybusey said: https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download Expand So, to stay on a previous topic, do think that the indictments offer proof that Bernie's campaign also colluded with the Russians?
Deranged Rhino Posted February 16, 2018 Author Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:15 PM, gatorbait said: Please take it easy on me for this one rhino because I am actually being sincere about it and would like your knowledge/opinion. Why would there be multiple indictments if Russia or Russians had nothing to do with the election? Expand You're conflating points designed to distract you. No one, certainly not me, has denied Russia meddled in the election. They've meddled, or tried to meddle, in every election we've had this century. The issue is whether they actively worked with Trump or his campaign to FIX the election. Those are very different charges. One is real. One is propaganda. By charging these 13 here (still reading the indictment) Mueller is sweeping away the real Russian meddling and setting the stage for the next phase of his investigation. Which will get down to the collusion of it all (or my theory, the corruption of it all). 1
row_33 Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 the whole Russian thing is suckybaby sour grapes over losing the election keep going, you are paying lots of grinds (like i am) to work 60 hours a week for years on nothing at all...
Warren Zevon Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:17 PM, GG said: So, to stay on a previous topic, do think that the indictments offer proof that Bernie's campaign also colluded with the Russians? Expand There's certainly a chance. Depends on Muellers other evidence.
Cinga Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:19 PM, Deranged Rhino said: The issue is whether they actively worked with Trump or his campaign to FIX the election. Expand And Apparently not. From the indictment:
GG Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:19 PM, Deranged Rhino said: You're conflating points designed to distract you. No one, certainly not me, has denied Russia meddled in the election. They've meddled, or tried to meddle, in every election we've had this century. The issue is whether they actively worked with Trump or his campaign to FIX the election. Those are very different charges. One is real. One is propaganda. By charging these 13 here (still reading the indictment) Mueller is sweeping away the real Russian meddling and setting the stage for the next phase of his investigation. Which will get down to the collusion of it all (or my theory, the corruption of it all). Expand And again, everyone is ignoring that these Russians first started working to "help" Bernie's campaign and then moved onto Trump when it became obvious that Bernie wasn't going to win the nomination, and Trump was. Why is nobody questioning how an out of touch socialist senator who started with 3% in the polls suddenly rose to a near upset? The goal clearly was to disrupt the free elections. Nobody has ever denied that. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted February 16, 2018 Author Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:21 PM, Cinga said: And Apparently not. From the indictment: Expand Agreed. So far there's no evidence or claims Trump or his campaign were aware of the nationalities of who they were talking to. The indictment also points out this same group was flooding anti-Trump propaganda as well as anti-HRC propaganda (chaos is the desired outcome, not a specific candidate winning).
gatorbait Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:19 PM, Deranged Rhino said: You're conflating points designed to distract you. No one, certainly not me, has denied Russia meddled in the election. They've meddled, or tried to meddle, in every election we've had this century. The issue is whether they actively worked with Trump or his campaign to FIX the election. Those are very different charges. One is real. One is propaganda. By charging these 13 here (still reading the indictment) Mueller is sweeping away the real Russian meddling and setting the stage for the next phase of his investigation. Which will get down to the collusion of it all (or my theory, the corruption of it all). Expand Cheers. 1
GG Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:21 PM, garybusey said: There's certainly a chance. Depends on Muellers other evidence. Expand Read Sec. 43. It's the same evidence as for Trump. No collusion, but clear intent by Russia to affect the election. 1
Warren Zevon Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:25 PM, GG said: Read Sec. 43. It's the same evidence as for Trump. No collusion, but clear intent by Russia to affect the election. Expand No collusion with these 13 individuals. i am of the opinion that Mueller has plenty of evidence nobody knows about.
Deranged Rhino Posted February 16, 2018 Author Posted February 16, 2018 Still reading... waiting for the press conference to start... but this all started in 2014 - over a year before Trump was even a candidate. The goal, from this indictment, sure seems to be sowing chaos on all sides rather than actively working to boost one candidate over the other. Which... is what many people have been arguing was the true goal for over a year now. I'd also note the number of FARA violations included here (corruption of K-Street), certainly fits the pattern I've seen to date. I take this as a clearing of the decks - nail the Russians who meddled, clear the way to get down to the real question of Mueller's probe: collusion. (But let's see what RR says in a few moments here)
GG Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:26 PM, garybusey said: No collusion with these 13 individuals. i am of the opinion that Mueller has plenty of evidence nobody knows about. Expand Doubtful he has evidence of collusion, but probably tons on Trump's & Kushner's private dealings that have nothing to do with the election.
DC Tom Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:19 PM, Deranged Rhino said: You're conflating points designed to distract you. No one, certainly not me, has denied Russia meddled in the election. They've meddled, or tried to meddle, in every election we've had this century. Expand Do we have anything more than "Facebook trolling" yet?
GG Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:30 PM, DC Tom said: Do we have anything more than "Facebook trolling" yet? Expand Looks like they were also staging fake events
Deranged Rhino Posted February 16, 2018 Author Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 6:30 PM, DC Tom said: Do we have anything more than "Facebook trolling" yet? Expand Money laundering, identity theft (getting illegal VISAs to enter the country), and FARA violations. "Defendent ORGANIZATION had a strategic goal to sow discord in the US political system, including the 2016 US presidential election." RR is up...
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