Hawk Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 "My skills are about the same as they were when I was with Bill before," Bledsoe said. "I can't throw it 80 yards anymore … but I can throw it 78." http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8261963 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Unfortunately, his 78 yard throw was on a goal line play. What a tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 He is very good throwing the long ball the two times a game coaches might call it. Too bad he can't throw a 10-yard out to save his arse. If you want to go long every play, Drew's your guy, but you're not often going to win like that. Parcells has lost it in trying to relive the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted March 10, 2005 Author Share Posted March 10, 2005 Unfortunately, his 78 yard throw was on a goal line play. What a tool. 269185[/snapback] And i heard a Patriot fan in the stands caught it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 He was very good throwing the long ball the two times a game coaches might call it. Too bad he can't throw a 10-yard out to save his arse. If someone wants to go long every play, Drew's the guy, but you're not often going to win like that. Parcells has lost it in trying to relive the past. 269189[/snapback] He's desperately bringing in has beens to try to save his reputation. It's pretty clear that he rode Belichek and his staff for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Parcells is still a HOF coach. So is gibbs, and levy if he ever comes back and stinks for a year. I predict that parcells and bledsoe are out of the NFL come next february. Retiring with dignity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 unfortunately the 78 yards was on an interception return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 I still believe that if Drew had decent coaching, and game plans, for the first two years, instead of the Greg & Kevin show, that things may have been better for him and the BILLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 He's desperately bringing in has beens to try to save his reputation. It's pretty clear that he rode Belichek and his staff for many years. 269192[/snapback] if parcells is such a joke, how did he have the foresight to hire belichick numerous times? putting together a staff is possibly the most important task a head coach faces. as for him having lost his reputation, the last time i checked, the cowboys won 10 games and made the playoffs a year ago despite having an arena league-level qb (quincy carter). and the last time i checked, the most recent time the bills performed such a feat was in the last millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Unfortunately, his 78 yard throw was on a goal line play. What a tool. 269185[/snapback] "what a tool": ease up, man. why the nastiness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 I still love how he can throw it everytime to number 80, even if that #80 is wearing a pats jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Many folks seem to insist on judging Bledsoe by a standard which has only two choices. Either he can do everything or alternatively he can do nothing. Clearly he can't do everything therefore the only remaining choice is to insist that he has nothing to offer whatsoever. However, though there seems to be relatively little we can be sure of in this world, I think we can be sure that both of these extreme views are flat out wrong. I think TD was correct in the final view he took toward Bledsoe as a Bill. He ain't the team's QB of the future and in fact it is pretty doubtful he is even a QB for the present for the Bills. He had his shot to make the playoffs with the team last year and in fact to make plays which would carry the team to the playoffs in the game against Pittsburgh where our main method for winning we used during the winning streak simply gave up the ghost. Both the D and the ST played miserably rather than turning in the outstanding performances we had seen from them for the most part during the winning streak and given this unfortunate production outage, Bledsoe simply proved incapable of taking a poor performing team on his shoulders and provide the difference to give us victory (it seems odd to this non-football professional that it came to this because I could have and did say on TSW that after the Bledsoe debacle season of 2003 he was not the starter for the Bills). It is still 50/50 at best that Losman is the QB of the present as this youngster almost certainly needs to go through the slings and arrows of development, however, even this 50/50 offers a better chance for the Bills riding to victory with JP starting than oer-relying on Bledsoe. However, this conclusion is way different than claiming Bledsoe has nothing left, is a statue, can only throw the ball 75 yards twice a game or any of the other barbs folks throw his way, which strike me as foolish and having little to do with real football assessment. I think where TD was right this off-season was to really want Bledsoe as a #2 QB (and to require that if he wanted to remain a Bill he take a cap hit consistent with that position). I'm pleased as punch that we now have Holcomb as our #2 because he has shown some good production in this role, is saying all the right things in terms of putting a damper on any QB controversy (though all it will take is the likely JP debacle which happens to all QBs young and old at some point (except maybe Joe Montana) and will certainly happen to JP at some point in '05), is an older hand who should be able to school JP in his development, and most important for the Bills success has agreed to a salary which will help us address our other critical needs. However, I certainly feel that as much as I like Holcomb as our #2 that Bledsoe would have been even a better choice as #2 IF he was willing to take a paycut. I think the real deal here is that Bledsoe (because he was forced to do it by Lewis' hit and Brady's play) did everything you want a #2 to do in 2002: 1). He developed a great relationship with Brady and could stand on the sidelines and watch the game with his 10 or so years of experience and talk to Brady when he came to the sidelines and work with the youngster as only another playing QB can do to point out things for him to see and do. Bledsoe himself has proved incapable of doing the right thing consistently under pressure and QB in the NFL is complex enough that it is the rare player who can usually both see and do the right thing with a 250 lb. behemoth trying to rip your head off while you work. However, as overly complext as the NFL is, playing QB is not brain surgery (as the brilliant Jim kelly demonstrated with his great production on the field while clearly being an enchilada short of a good combo platter off the field). Bledsoe has been around enough to see lots of stuff and in 2002 demonstrated a great ability with brady to download his knowledge effectively even though he showed difficulty translating this knowledge into good play himself when you gave him the ball. 2). He pulled off the ultimate job for the #2 which was to step into a must-win game when Brady was injured and play the majority of the game to a victory and even throw the winning pass. His average at best play this game and his numbers clearly indicate he is not the starter, but the #2 is not the starter and he did exactly what the #2 QB should do which was to play QB in the majority of a must-win game to a win. Even better, rather than being a cancer as many athletes would he accepted the correct judgement of BB amd sat bacl amd turned the reins back over to Brady for the SB game without much or any hint of a fit. He also accepted the correct judgment of BB/Kraft and the crew that it was the right thing to do to trade him and stick with Brady as the NE QB of thefuture. 3. He demonstrated that he had something left by having a 2003 season that merited his 2002 reserve Pro Bowl nod for the Bills (if yiou disagree fine but we would love to hear the specific player (or players if you dub Bledsoe a stiff) you think deserved it more. He showed with his production issues as the season wore on and by his horrible 2003 season that he is clearly not a team's QB of the future, but he also showed last year through some good use by MM/TC of his remaining talents (he even ran the draw and pulled of some great fakes and flea flickers) that he can still play the game. However, he showed in the Pitts game that though he can be an acceptable QB on a team with dominant D and ST play all the time and I think can be counted on to be the #2 he clearly is not the future, and probably not the present, but there are good roles he can play as a QB. I think the question is whether Bledsoe can play on a successful Dallas team next year, not whether he is still a stud QB. He ain't (if he ever was) a stud QB, but I think that if only because the NFC Central (or whatever they are called now) was so bad, the Boys do have a reasonable shot at making the playoffs next year. The keys in my mind are: 1. The opposing teams in the division produce like they did last year- Certainly possible as from what I see even a leading light like Joe Gibbs is still flailing with his team. 2. He gets a WM like running game out of his youg RB- Certainly possible given his performance once he recovered from injury. 3. He gets a solid D performance out of the Boys- I did not watch them closely enough to say for sure, but I doubt that Drew Henson and the O were responsible for what little they did well last year. i doubt Bledsoe will lead the O to great production, but a quality HC like Parcells knows that the key here is to make Bledsoe "throw the damn ball" as he got Bledsoe to do when he played QB to an SB for Parcells with NE. 4. He gets the reserves and judiciious use of starters on ST to get production out of this unit- Getting production from marginal players has been what Parcells has been all about in his successful career. Willl the Boyus and Bledsoe win the SB? I really doubt it and think folks can pretty comfortably bet against it if you find any takers. However, will Bledsoe lead the Boys to the playoffs and be designated once again as Comeback Player of the year (likely cinching his presecence in the HOF if he does so)? I wouldn't bet on it, but i wouldn't bet against it either. 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stevestojan Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Denial aint just a river in Egypt. .. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Yeah, he can still chuck it down field, but it's those five yarders that's difficult for the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndmanley Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 "My skills are about the same as they were when I was with Bill before," Bledsoe said. "I can't throw it 80 yards anymore … but I can throw it 78."http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8261963 269162[/snapback] And that is why Bledsoe never progressed as a quarterback (and was ultimately unsuccessful with us). It takes more than just throwing the ball deep to be successful QB. If doesn't know that now, he never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 if parcells is such a joke, how did he have the foresight to hire belichick numerous times? putting together a staff is possibly the most important task a head coach faces. as for him having lost his reputation, the last time i checked, the cowboys won 10 games and made the playoffs a year ago despite having an arena league-level qb (quincy carter). and the last time i checked, the most recent time the bills performed such a feat was in the last millennium. 269287[/snapback] So if Parcells was such a smart guy- why did he run his playoff QB, Quincy Carter, out of town and replace him with the 42 year old Vinnie and bring in the broken down Eddie George for $3mil / yr and big name, no production Marcellus Wiley- has beens who led the Boys to a big 6 win season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 So if Parcells was such a smart guy- why did he run his playoff QB, Quincy Carter, out of town and replace him with the 42 year old Vinnie and bring in the broken down Eddie George for $3mil / yr and big name, no production Marcellus Wiley- has beens who led the Boys to a big 6 win season? 270519[/snapback] Quincy Carter is a druggie and George was brought in to mentor the young stable of RBs, which all ended up getting hurt. Thus George started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 So if Parcells was such a smart guy- why did he run his playoff QB, Quincy Carter, out of town and replace him with the 42 year old Vinnie and bring in the broken down Eddie George for $3mil / yr and big name, no production Marcellus Wiley- has beens who led the Boys to a big 6 win season? 270519[/snapback] he didn't want george - that was all jones. as for quincy carter, did you see any of his games in 2003? with a credible qb, that team would have won 12 games easily. he's absolutely terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNYC Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Too bad he underthrew Aiken on that flee flicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 "what a tool": ease up, man. why the nastiness? 269289[/snapback] "We just needed to make more plays." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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