Sherlock Holmes Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 The Pats* loss last night is like Tiger Balm for my Bills ache Ah it was so soothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Big time falsehood. Idk why everyine keeps pounding that button. We were party animals. Talent is talent no matter how they behave as long as they show up to work on time, play as a cohesive unit and do their job idk why people get so caught up on that. Hell yeah it is. I think were gonna win more than 6 and enough to piss away a good draft spot. Doesnt matter tho, do eveything u can to trade up for a QB, this is the year, jus pick a good one Those 7 picks in the top 100th are gonna go down to 3 when we trade up for a qb tho. Well this is where we'll see if this combo of McDermott and Beane are truly focused on building a long term sound team or think a franchise QB will solve all of the ills. I think you have a great situation for a young QB to come into and you keep Tyrod around until you find the guy you are sure is better - it may be next year it may be the following year. You don't need to be at the top of the draft class to get the best QB for your team, and they would be silly to let Tyrod go before they have clearly secured a better option. To let him go would be making the same mistake they have been making for many years of this 17 year drought - he brings stability and talent to a position that provides a situation for a young guy to prove it and outperform Taylor- not thrown to the wolves because there is no better option. However, this team will need to start replacing the aging stars like Incognito, Wood, Williams ASAP and they don't have the luxury of throwing multiple high picks into one player - that is a recipe for disaster, even if they hit on that player. You take your best shot at a QB where you draft without reaching and you build a young, talented OL and DL - this is where I hope Andy Reid's influence on McDermott occurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Well this is where we'll see if this combo of McDermott and Beane are truly focused on building a long term sound team or think a franchise QB will solve all of the ills. I think you have a great situation for a young QB to come into and you keep Tyrod around until you find the guy you are sure is better - it may be next year it may be the following year. You don't need to be at the top of the draft class to get the best QB for your team, and they would be silly to let Tyrod go before they have clearly secured a better option. To let him go would be making the same mistake they have been making for many years of this 17 year drought - he brings stability and talent to a position that provides a situation for a young guy to prove it and outperform Taylor- not thrown to the wolves because there is no better option. However, this team will need to start replacing the aging stars like Incognito, Wood, Williams ASAP and they don't have the luxury of throwing multiple high picks into one player - that is a recipe for disaster, even if they hit on that player. You take your best shot at a QB where you draft without reaching and you build a young, talented OL and DL - this is where I hope Andy Reid's influence on McDermott occurs. Word. Reid did trade his 2018 and 17 1st round picks to move up to 10 to draft Mahomes tho. Jus how many picks is it cost without reaching cuz there are lots of holes on this team that need to be addressed over the next 2 years. Were gonna need talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) Word. Reid did trade his 2018 and 17 1st round picks to move up to 10 to draft Mahomes tho. Jus how many picks is it cost without reaching cuz there are lots of holes on this team that need to be addressed over the next 2 years. Were gonna need talent. I'd say KC is in a much better position to do what they did than the Bills to do the same, and at the same time you have to question whether the Bills could've used that pick on Mahomes if QB was the position they were so focused on improving. To me to pass on a guy that a good coach (not great btw) that has had sustained success with QBs and offense in this league moved up to get in order to stockpile draft picks would be baffling to then turn around and trade away to move up for a QB, and it would always be scrutinized as Mahomes vs. the 2018 Bills' QB pick. They need to turn that trade into two solid starters from the 2018 draft class (their own pick and the KC pick). The Bills chances of hitting on picks as solid starting talent increases with the number of players they put on the roster in the top 3 rounds. I would've like to have seen Dawkins make more of a push for a starting job. Edited September 9, 2017 by Ayjent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 Ayjent and Marty Interesting discussion. Particularly about Taylor. It will be interesting to see if Taylor plays well enough to cause them to pass on a first round qb. If Taylor plays well and the Bills go 9 and 7, those two first round f picks won't be high enough to move up for a star qb. I don't think Beane thinks he has a lot of holes to fill. In the next three years only Kyle and Richie are likely to retire. I think Beane figures he's already in @@nstandard annual continuous improvement mode. With six picks in the first three rounds he can find replacemeets for those retiring players and improve a couple other positions. I agree about Dawkins, but that just means he isn't likely to be a star. I hope he grows into a quality starter, taking the RT spot later this year or next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I'd say KC is in a much better position to do what they did than the Bills to do the same, and at the same time you have to question whether the Bills could've used that pick on Mahomes if QB was the position they were so focused on improving. To me to pass on a guy that a good coach (not great btw) that has had sustained success with QBs and offense in this league moved up to get in order to stockpile draft picks would be baffling to then turn around and trade away to move up for a QB, and it would always be scrutinized as Mahomes vs. the 2018 Bills' QB pick. They need to turn that trade into two solid starters from the 2018 draft class (their own pick and the KC pick). The Bills chances of hitting on picks as solid starting talent increases with the number of players they put on the roster in the top 3 rounds. I would've like to have seen Dawkins make more of a push for a starting job. We all expected darkins to take the starting job but i guess he needs more time to get his pass pro up. Its always a gamble in the draft theres not always sure things and whether they like it or not Mahomes success will always be compared to what they do with that 2018 1st rnd pick. Mahomes walks into a better situation than he would in Buffalo. KC has a better team better OLine and better coaching. Im not sure Buffalo could even develop QB talent properly. They havent shown they could yet. Time will tell tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) Big time falsehood. Idk why everyine keeps pounding that button. We were party animals. Talent is talent no matter how they behave as long as they show up to work on time, play as a cohesive unit and do their job idk why people get so caught up on that. Hell yeah it is. I think were gonna win more than 6 and enough to piss away a good draft spot. Doesnt matter tho, do eveything u can to trade up for a QB, this is the year, jus pick a good one Those 7 picks in the top 100th are gonna go down to 3 when we trade up for a qb tho. Going to 4 straight superbowls showed high character. Players like Kent Hull, Steve tasker, Phil Hansen or Mark Kelso just to name a few showed high character. Marv Levy himself was a class act and showed high character along with the men Levy/Polian recruited. Drinking or Bickering didn't change anything... Edited September 9, 2017 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Going to 4 straight superbowls showed high character. Players like Kent Hull, Steve tasker, Phil Hansen or Mark Kelso just to name a few showed high character. Marv Levy himself was a class act and showed high character along with the men he recruited. Drinking or Bickering didn't change anything... Going to 4 straight super bowl means they were a very good football team. Has nothing to do with character. In fact, 2/3 teams who beat us in those super bowls were about as low character teams that you'll find in the history of the NFL. I don't care if these guys smoke crack and bang hookers 7 days/week, personally. Just win on Sundays. But saying that the Bills teams of the 90s had high character; I simply disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) Going to 4 straight superbowls showed high character. Players like Kent Hull, Steve tasker, Phil Hansen or Mark Kelso just to name a few showed high character. Marv Levy himself was a class act and showed high character along with the men Levy/Polian recruited. Drinking or Bickering didn't change anything... Right but dont paint them as boyscouts. Im jus against signing less talent bc they arent clean cut. As long as their professional show up on time and give it 100% they should be on the team. High character doesn win rings. LTs smoking crack on the way to the stadium and they beat us. Half of the Cowboys are running through rock star lines ans hookers on gameday and they beat us twice. That high character talk is bull **** Edited September 9, 2017 by Marty McFly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Biggest douchebag of all according to some would take his whole Oline out to dinner and buy them gifts for a job well done. what a scumbag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) Drinking or Bickering didn't change anything... I tend to disagree. drinking and having a lenient HC that did not set a curfew led to them losing the big game(s). instead of doing as they had all season, basically dominating, they failed in the big dance 4 straight times. yes, one could say they were out coached since in the case of the giants game where bill and billy had two weeks to prepare for the k-gun the bills partied like it was 1999. had they been more focused they may of not lost and come out with at least one or two sb victories. Edited September 9, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 So Kelly and co were dickwads. The brought us 4 ina row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I tend to disagree. drinking and having a lenient HC that did not set a curfew led to them losing the big game(s). instead of doing as they had all season, basically dominating, they failed in the big dance 4 straight times. yes, one could say they were out coached since in the case of the giants game where bill and billy had two weeks to prepare for the k-gun the bills partied like it was 1999. had they been more focused they may of not lost and come out with at least one or two sb victories. Treating men like men... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Treating men like men... so being lenient is treating men like men? they deserved to lose and it fell on the HC and his inability to set standards. but hey, he treated them like men so in the end it was more about that then winning the big dance...smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Biggest douchebag of all according to some would take his whole Oline out to dinner and buy them gifts for a job well done. what a scumbag Again ... you're misquoting me. But that's okay. You're also failing to comprehend why my opinion is what it is. One last thing - the primary two reasons we lost the super bowl to the Giants ... Jim Kelly and Marv Levy. I know you worship them. Many do. I find it unfortunate that you can't realize their imperfections and you think they were these infallible, supreme beings, just because the Bills made it to four super bowls. One - they weren't. Two - if they were REALLY that great, they wouldn't have lost all four of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Right but dont paint them as boyscouts. Im jus against signing less talent bc they arent clean cut. As long as their professional show up on time and give it 100% they should be on the team. High character doesn win rings. LTs smoking crack on the way to the stadium and they beat us. Half of the Cowboys are running through rock star lines ans hookers on gameday and they beat us twice. That high character talk is bull **** So what your saying here is in comparison to other teams the Bills were saints. thanks so being lenient is treating men like men? they deserved to lose and it fell on the HC and his inability to set standards. but hey, he treated them like men so in the end it was more about that then winning the big dance...smh Thats just your opinion. My opinion is Buffalo was out coached and out played, no excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Thats just your opinion. My opinion is Buffalo was out coached and out played, no excuses. excuses? opinion or otherwise, they had a weak HC and a team that was not disciplined and free to do as they pleased. they chose to get drunk and roam until all hours of the night. not a very good recipe when facing the biggest game of their careers. I guess some just can't face that and would rather blame it on being "out coached". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 During the off season, my ache is usually in my belly. During the regular season, it's in the fillings of my teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 excuses? opinion or otherwise, they had a weak HC and a team that was not disciplined and free to do as they pleased. they chose to get drunk and roam until all hours of the night. not a very good recipe when facing the biggest game of their careers. I guess some just can't face that and would rather blame it on being "out coached". With all due respect Da every coach has a different approach on handling the men he coaches. Buffalo was out coached and out played. Now If you think about my commment for a minute we may be in agreement here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Ayjent and Marty Interesting discussion. Particularly about Taylor. It will be interesting to see if Taylor plays well enough to cause them to pass on a first round qb. If Taylor plays well and the Bills go 9 and 7, those two first round f picks won't be high enough to move up for a star qb. I don't think Beane thinks he has a lot of holes to fill. In the next three years only Kyle and Richie are likely to retire. I think Beane figures he's already in @@nstandard annual continuous improvement mode. With six picks in the first three rounds he can find replacemeets for those retiring players and improve a couple other positions. I agree about Dawkins, but that just means he isn't likely to be a star. I hope he grows into a quality starter, taking the RT spot later this year or next year. I don't think they will pass on a 1st round QB whether Taylor plays well or not, if that QB is a player they feel can run their offense better than Taylor. That's just the sense I get, but I hope that they do it wisely and not just make a move because they want their guy. Taylor gives them the luxury of being patient and taking a chance on a 2nd to 4th round pick panning out if the cost is too high to get the most coveted QBs that are in the top 10. There are likely going to be 4-5 first round prospects this next draft, but things seem to change a lot between the start of the college season and the actual draft. I'd really like to see them make this OL the real strength of the team and then have a young guy developing and pushing Taylor. That seems like the smartest way forward. I get the concept of changing culture Beane and McDermott had in mind in the roster turnover, but nothing changes a culture like winning and it's hard to win when you churn the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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