daz28 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Dumbass -- show me in the transcript where Flynn talked about removing the sanctions OR expulsions just placed on the Russians. Do it or shut the ***** up. Again back to square one. He was dictating the Russian response. No one said he removed anything. You love circles don't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, daz28 said: I don't think he should have attempted to effect a policy that was just put in place. I understand why he did, but I think he should have waited. you referring of course to the sanctions that were put on Russia at the 11th hour, the 29th of December to be exact. or put another way... twenty days before the end of the Obamanation. let me ask you a question and i hope to get an honest answer.... do you think perhaps it might have been, not only prudent but respectful to let the next administration deal with any such sanctions seeing how they were going to be the ones in power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said: Again back to square one. He was dictating the Russian response. No one said he removed anything. You love circles don't you. 14 minutes ago, daz28 said: The call and announcing of sanctions are both dated Dec 29, 2016. Obama's sanctions came 1 day sooner, and I'm guessing he knew about them before that. You might want to look up the word effect. Dumbass - Show me where Flynn tried to effect Russian SANCTIONS in the transcript since you claim he did that. Go. Or shut the ***** up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, Foxx said: you referring of course to the sanctions that were put on Russia at the 11th hour, the 29th of December to be exact. or put another way... twenty days before the end of the Obamanation. let me ask you a question and i hope to get an honest answer.... do you think perhaps it might have been, not only prudent but respectful to let the next administration deal with any such sanctions seeing how they were going to be the ones in power? Yes, I agree with that. It looks like Obama was making a token gesture to handling the situation on the way out the door, after he did nothing for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, daz28 said: I was just pointing out that this is why we have appeals courts. the case is not eligible for appeal at this point. the case has not yet been disposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: Yes, I agree with that. It looks like Obama was making a token gesture to handling the situation on the way out the door, after he did nothing for so long. Wrong again. He was setting a trap, not doing a token gesture. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Wrong again. He was setting a trap, not doing a token gesture. Then why wouldn't he have done it MUCH sooner to leave a much bigger mess? I hate when you assume things that make no logical sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, daz28 said: Well, it sounds like he was telling them he didn't say anything about doing anything, when he in fact did ask for things. ... no. reading comprehension is your friend. DR posted it for you, read it again. Flynn was telling the FBI what he didn't say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: Then why wouldn't he have done it MUCH sooner to leave a much bigger mess? I hate when you assume things that make no logical sense. Your logic is wrong because you're too stupid to know the order in which things happened. But let's see you prove it. If the goal was to trap Flynn into asking the Russian Ambassador to not react to sanctions, when would you -- the super genius -- implement those sanctions? MUCH sooner, before the election when Flynn was not on the transition team and thus not talking to the Russians? Or do you wait until you know Flynn will be talking with the ambassador? You're wrong. Again. All the way. Now keep dodging the rest of the facts that have beaten you over the head today, claim victory, and ***** off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, daz28 said: Yes, I'll admit there's a lot of projection. 15 minutes ago, daz28 said: People go broke defending themselves all the time. If there was truly the injustice that some of you believe, then I hope it's uncovered. Let's not forget he's not the first guy to accept a plea, because he couldn't afford to defend himself properly. Unfortunately, that is the American way. so because that is how things are done, that makes it okay? because that sure sounds like what you're saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Foxx Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, daz28 said: Yes, I agree with that. It looks like Obama was making a token gesture to handling the situation on the way out the door, after he did nothing for so long. or... you know... he was trying to box the Trump administration in. and to go out even further on that limb... maybe he was setting a stage with props for a certain play they were enacting. hmmm....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Foxx said: so because that is how things are done, that makes it okay? because that sure sounds like what you're saying.... Not at all, but look at it this way. Flynn has many powerful friends, and could get support from the public. When this is over, he will also likely get a large book deal, too. Those are advantages MANY people don't have, so it's really not all woe is he. 1 minute ago, Foxx said: or... you know... he was trying to box the Trump administration in. and to go out even further on that limb... maybe he was setting a stage with props for a certain play they were enacting. hmmm....... Possibly. Unlike DR I won't just assume those are facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: Possibly. Unlike DR I won't just assume those are facts Instead you'll continue to ignore the actual facts in favor of your disingenuous and deeply stupid spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, Foxx said: no. reading comprehension is your friend. DR posted it for you, read it again. Flynn was telling the FBI what he didn't say. Now I'm going to ask you for honesty. Read how specifically they asked him about that conversation. I mean they literally were reading his words back to him, and he said, I really don't remember. It's basically the equivalent of your GF reading back a text you sent another chick. You can feel it all the way up your spine as she reads each word. Then you say, "what text". In your heart do you believe he really didn't remember it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Instead you'll continue to ignore the actual facts in favor of your disingenuous and deeply stupid spin. Now, now. You've only been following this for three years, interviewing people close to the investigation, reading the source documents, writing about it daily. WTH would you know!? I've said it before, and I'll say it again... you have the patience of Job. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, daz28 said: Not at all, but look at it this way. Flynn has many powerful friends, and could get support from the public. When this is over, he will also likely get a large book deal, too. Those are advantages MANY people don't have, so it's really not all woe is he. again, like DR has been saying to you and many of us have been saying to you for some time (here and other topics)... you are looking at everything from the wrong angle. you are coming at these things from the lens of the main stream propagandist media. trust me, you would be better served turning that ***** thing off, for the news anyway. again, what it sounds like your saying is that what was done to Flynn is okay because he will get rich off of it. let me tell you, all the money in the world is not going to replace years of your life, you simply do not get those back. out of curiosity, what is the price of those years worth? can you monetize it? no, you can't. all you can do is to compensate someone for what happened to them. 16 minutes ago, daz28 said: Possibly. Unlike DR I won't just assume those are facts well, for someone who is blinded by the light of the propagandists, i have to give you a prop for at least being, however reluctant, somewhat open to the possibility. i would suggest again that you turn off the spin doctors and do some digging of your own to form your own thoughts. do away with the spoon feeding and narrative forming trough you have been so obviously drinking from. Edited May 30, 2020 by Foxx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, daz28 said: People go broke defending themselves all the time. If there was truly the injustice that some of you believe, then I hope it's uncovered. Let's not forget he's not the first guy to accept a plea, because he couldn't afford to defend himself properly. Unfortunately, that is the American way. It has been uncovered, and has been described to you in full. And yes, he’s far from the first person to accept a plea deal knowing they committed no crime. However this is absolutely not the American way. That you believe it is, And that you seem to think it somehow validated what was done to General Flynn, is incredibly problematic. It should leave you, or any other reasonable person, outraged that the government has standardized this as a way of doing business. It is unacceptable at every level, and is incompatible with a free society. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Foxx said: again, like Dr has been saying to you and many of us have been saying to you for some time (here and other topics)... you are looking at everything from the wrong angle. you are coming at these things from the lens of the main stream propagandist media. trust me, you would be better served turning that ***** thing off, for the news anyway. again, what it sounds like your saying is that what was done to Flynn is okay because he will get rich off of it. let me tell you, all the money in the world is not going to replace years of your life, you simply do not get those back. out of curiosity, what is the price of those years worth? can you monetize it? no, you can't. all you can do is to compensate someone for what happened to them. well, for someone who is blinded by the light of the propagandists, i have to give you a prop for at least being, however reluctant, somewhat open to the possibility. i would suggest again that you turn off the spin doctors and do some digging of your own to form your own thoughts. do away with the spoon feeding and narrative forming trough you have been so obviously drinking from. You're making it sound like I'm advocating it. I'm absolutely not. Just pointing out he's not the first guy to get railroaded, and that he's in a better situation to handle it than most. Don't blame me that the system sucks. 3 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: It has been uncovered, and has been described to you in full. And yes, he’s far from the first person to accept a plea deal knowing they committed no crime. However this is absolutely not the American way. That you believe it is, And that you seem to think it somehow validated what was done to General Flynn, is incredibly problematic. It should leave you, or any other reasonable person, outraged that the government has standardized this as a way of doing business. It is unacceptable at every level, and is incompatible with a free society. I don't make the rules, and actually the way it is in America IS the American way. I don't agree with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, daz28 said: Now I'm going to ask you for honesty. Read how specifically they asked him about that conversation. I mean they literally were reading his words back to him, and he said, I really don't remember. It's basically the equivalent of your GF reading back a text you sent another chick. You can feel it all the way up your spine as she reads each word. Then you say, "what text". In your heart do you believe he really didn't remember it?? sure, i'll give you my honest assessment of that. the thing(s) you have to consider is that Flynn was the incoming National Security Advisor. as such, he was having many, many, many other conversations with ambassadors of many other nations at that time. additionally, he was supposedly on vacation when this particular discussion was taking place, so his mind might not have been completely on the business nature of things. with that said, to answer you directly, yes i believe he may not have remembered. he had a lot on his plate at that time. now, how does any of that matter? he answered that he didn't remember, he also knew they knew what he had said. so how was his answer lying in any way, shape or form? 6 minutes ago, daz28 said: You're making it sound like I'm advocating it. I'm absolutely not. Just pointing out he's not the first guy to get railroaded, and that he's in a better situation to handle it than most. Don't blame me that the system sucks. i'm making it sound like your advocating it? that's a good one. Edited May 30, 2020 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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