FireChan Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 If that's the point people are trying to make, it's not a very good one. In what scenario do 5 more interceptions a season equal 3 more wins? It doesn't make any sense. Just upping our pass attempts isn't going to lead to more wins if that's what you mean. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-attempts-per-game 4 teams in the top 10 and 4 teams in the bottom 10 made the playoffs. There is no correlation between more pass attempts and more wins, but there is a correlation between less turnovers and more wins. If the choice is between less pass attempts and less interceptions, or more pass attempts and more interceptions, there is no reason to choose the second option. It has to do more with the quality of the attempts. Drew Brees throws more picks than TT but he also throws passes regularly that TT is afraid to make. You take the good with the bad. The downside is a couple more picks. The upside is a QB that throws guys open, fits the ball in tight windows, and keeps drives alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 It has to do more with the quality of the attempts. Drew Brees throws more picks than TT but he also throws passes regularly that TT is afraid to make. You take the good with the bad. The downside is a couple more picks. The upside is a QB that throws guys open, fits the ball in tight windows, and keeps drives alive. and the end result is both teams win 7 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) and the end result is both teams win 7 games? The end result is a QB who scores the 3rd most TDs in the NFL taking the 31st defense to 7 wins and the other QB scoring the 19th most TD's in the NFL taking the 16th defense to 7 wins. Unless you think that Brees scoring the 3rd most TD's hurt them. Edited March 29, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) The end result is a QB who scores the 3rd most TDs in the NFL taking the 31st defense to 7 wins and the other QB scoring the 19th most TD's in the NFL taking the 16th defense to 7 wins. That's great, in theory. Could the Bills afford Brees with the way the roster is currently constructed? EDIT: Also, look at how the rosters are built in general. 2016 NO Pass Catchers: Cooks, Thomas, Snead, Fleener 2016 BUF Pass Catchers: Woods, Clay, Goodwin, Watkins 2016 NO RBs: Ingram, Hightower, Kuhn 2016 BUF RBs: Shady, Gillislee, JWill Edited March 29, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 That's great, in theory. Could the Bills afford Brees with the way the roster is currently constructed? Give me Brees over Dareus and TT. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Give me Brees over Dareus and TT. Thanks. I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying the team wouldn't be the same with Brees and his contract on board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying the team wouldn't be the same with Brees and his contract on board Right. They can be worse. We can have worse RB's and pass catchers and a worse defense and win the same amount of games. This is obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I just came here to spew my dislike for Tie Rod, then it got personal. Very entertaining stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 That's great, in theory. Could the Bills afford Brees with the way the roster is currently constructed? EDIT: Also, look at how the rosters are built in general. 2016 NO Pass Catchers: Cooks, Thomas, Snead, Fleener 2016 BUF Pass Catchers: Woods, Clay, Goodwin, Watkins 2016 NO RBs: Ingram, Hightower, Kuhn 2016 BUF RBs: Shady, Gillislee, JWill Extra points for using pass catchers in a sentence. What would Willie Snead have done with Tyrod throwing him the ball ? and the end result is both teams win 7 games? Or MVP's and a Sb Win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 If that's the point people are trying to make, it's not a very good one. In what scenario do 5 more interceptions a season equal 3 more wins? It doesn't make any sense. Just upping our pass attempts isn't going to lead to more wins if that's what you mean. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-attempts-per-game 4 teams in the top 10 and 4 teams in the bottom 10 made the playoffs. There is no correlation between more pass attempts and more wins, but there is a correlation between less turnovers and more wins. If the choice is between less pass attempts and less interceptions, or more pass attempts and more interceptions, there is no reason to choose the second option. 5 more INT's a season to achieve a more agressive passing attack and better production while it may seem like allot of turnovers, spread out over 16 games its not as bad as playing so conservative its costing you wins. Do you remember the gun slinging days of J K? Throwing two INT's early, then come roaring back with 3TD's? Well if you do this is the point people are trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) Because throwing more interceptions will lead to more losses. Throwing more interceptions has to be offset by positive results, like throwing 10+ mote td passes. And since we need 3 more wins in your scenario we cannot just offset the interceptions but we have to have even more positive results from the qb in order for that qb to mitigate the added interceptions and add 3 more wins. And there is no magic formula for this above scenario just trying to make sense of this argument. Not necessarily. Playoff Teams with 5 more INT's than TT's 6, (Bills 7) - Seattle 12, Steelers 15, Houston 16, Dolphins 15, and the Giants 16. On the verge of a WC, Denver 11, Washington 12, and Tampa 18. That said. Lets agree to disagree and move on. Edited March 29, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) :lol: Yes. Very good. Glad you saw that. Except my Straw Man was in jest, intentional, purposeful, and obvious. Edited March 29, 2017 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Yes. Very good. Glad you saw that. Except my Straw Man was intentional, purposeful, and obvious. You have a synonym problem, I've noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 You have a synonym problem, I've noticed. You are an absolute joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Tyrod's 8 points scored at end of Dolphins game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Right. They can be worse. We can have worse RB's and pass catchers and a worse defense and win the same amount of games. This is obvious. I think they had better pass catchers last year than us, but yeah. Extra points for using pass catchers in a sentence. What would Willie Snead have done with Tyrod throwing him the ball ? Or MVP's and a Sb Win. SB win was 7 years ago, Tyrod wasn't even in the league then (and we all know he's been in the league forever now and has already hit his ceiling). Since then they've averaged somewhere between 9-7 and 8-8 (actually 8.67-7.33). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) I think they had better pass catchers last year than us, but yeah. SB win was 7 years ago, Tyrod wasn't even in the league then (and we all know he's been in the league forever now and has already hit his ceiling). Since then they've averaged somewhere between 9-7 and 8-8 (actually 8.67-7.33). We invested more. Unlike TT's average of 7.5-7. Edited March 29, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 We invested more. Unlike TT's average of 7.5-7. If I spend more on a prius than you do on a maserati it doesn't mean my car is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) If I spend more on a prius than you do on a maserati it doesn't mean my car is better. But your argument was that "team building" is different. Costs is a huge part of that. If we're already investing more than the Saints are for pass-catches, what difference does it make to the Bills? Edited March 29, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 If that's the point people are trying to make, it's not a very good one. In what scenario do 5 more interceptions a season equal 3 more wins? It doesn't make any sense. Just upping our pass attempts isn't going to lead to more wins if that's what you mean. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-attempts-per-game 4 teams in the top 10 and 4 teams in the bottom 10 made the playoffs. There is no correlation between more pass attempts and more wins, but there is a correlation between less turnovers and more wins. If the choice is between less pass attempts and less interceptions, or more pass attempts and more interceptions, there is no reason to choose the second option. Pretty much this The only way that adding 5 more interceptions would lead to 3 more wins is if that qb threw for at least 10 more touchdown passes. And it would probably require more than 10 to offset the damage done by the 5 interceptions and still lead to 3 more victories. And this. Still amazed some people are equating more interceptions with good QB play. I'm sure that's not actually what they believe. They're just leaving a big, empty vacuum of a hole in their argument and assuming everyone else will automatically fill it in for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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