Billsfaninwtn Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 It's Peppers at 10 watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 It's Peppers at 10 watch. As long as it isn't WR... Not like we have a passing QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Sammy is here. Not many targets to go around. Drafting a WR 10th overall is basically saying goodbye Sammy, do a major raise after next season. We can get a solid #2 WR trading down or in the 2nd. In today's NFL there are plenty of targets to go around for two receivers. Plus who says Sammy will be on the field all season? It's Peppers at 10 watch. That guy has bust written all over him imo. Using the 10th pick on him would be very disappointing. No one even seems to know what position he is suited for in the pros. Edited March 19, 2017 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 In today's NFL there are plenty of targets to go around for two receivers. Plus who says Sammy will be on the field all season? Who says anyone will be on the field? Our offense runs the ball, will continue to run the ball. We complain about targets to Sammy nearly every game. Hopefully Sammy is getting fed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Who says anyone will be on the field? Our offense runs the ball, will continue to run the ball. We complain about targets to Sammy nearly every game. Hopefully Sammy is getting fed. No one, but Sammy has a history of injuries. We have nothing after him for depth. Sammy going down with the current receiver group would be crippling. Edited March 19, 2017 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffuct Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 Sammy is here. Not many targets to go around. Drafting a WR 10th overall is basically saying goodbye Sammy, do a major raise after next season. We can get a solid #2 WR trading down or in the 2nd. word! MC D has gotta fix D, or go TE , i have been hoping to draft TE for many years . should have been two TE sets along time ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 word! MC D has gotta fix D, or go TE , i have been hoping to draft TE for many years . should have been two TE sets along time ago How many top 10 tight end draft picks have ever been worth it? At least in the last 10 years or so Tight End seems to be a position where you get value in the second or third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 If Andre Holmes precludes us from drafting Corey Davis, the FO needs a good slap. Precisely. I doubt they draft a WR, but not because we have the guys we need. More because defensive head coaches putting in new systems tend to prioritize defense in their first year's draft, as offensive coaches prioritize that side of the ball. I could still see CB, S, LB if they like Foster, or WR or even a surprise QB pick. I'm hoping they trade back, myself, early and often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) No one, but Sammy has a history of injuries. We have nothing after him for depth. Sammy going down with the current receiver group would be crippling. He went down last year and the offensive production and scoring was identical. Some people would rather us be a passing top 10 scoring offense. I really dont care, just be a top 10 scoring offense. A RT would help this offense many times more than a WR, if we go offense 10th. Edited March 19, 2017 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 He went down last year and the offensive production and scoring was identical. Some people would rather us be a passing top 10 scoring offense. I really dont care, just be a top 10 scoring offense. Yes because Shady had an amazing season and we still had Woods. We can't count on Shady to repeat last season, and Woods is gone. A receiver group with Holmes as the number one and Brown/Butler as number two wouldn't be acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) I agree, but don't think many teams will want to give up a second round pick to move up to 10. Maybe not, but if they're teams in the 20s, that would be the price if they are set on someone. I think most people imagine us trading back four or five places, but if we go back ten or more, we would get a bigger premium. Edited March 19, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 i also think that if corey davis is there it;s a no brainer . watkins davis and holmes is a great top three . if db's and davis are gone its gotta be oj I know we have crap at WR other than Watkins but if you're only going to pass 25 to 30 times a game, can they really afford to invest another high 1st rounder on a WR? word! MC D has gotta fix D, or go TE , i have been hoping to draft TE for many years . should have been two TE sets along time ago I'd rather see if this coaching staff can better utilize Clay than add another TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I know we have crap at WR other than Watkins but if you're only going to pass 25 to 30 times a game, can they really afford to invest another high 1st rounder on a WR? We do have a new offensive coordinator. Say what you will about TT but "ground and pound" was always a Rex thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Yes because Shady had an amazing season and we still had Woods. We can't count on Shady to repeat last season, and Woods is gone. A receiver group with Holmes as the number one and Brown/Butler as number two wouldn't be acceptable. You cant draft because a player may get hurt. We need depth at WR, not a #1. They can find depth. This Bills team is no position to spend a #10 pick on a WR. Thats something we can talk about next year if Sammy has a poor season and we decline his option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo044 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Pepper at #10 is ridiculous. Honestly, he has a better chance at being our 2nd round pick than our first. A lot of guys here, but all of these make sense at #10 to varying degrees: Davis, foster, Howard, Hooker, Adams, lattimore Run to the podium and draft at #10: Hooker, adams Fair value at #10: Davis, foster, Howard, lattimore. The #10 pick will have a lot of teams interested. I don't know which teams have multiple firsts or a first and an early 2nd, but my dream scenario would be to trade #10, for a first and an early 2nd and get: First: Davis, foster, Howard, lattimore, Williams or someone similar Early 2nd: Mahomes Our 2nd: Budda Baker or similar One can dream.... Btw, this thread is very good. A lot of knowledge, good rationale and justified arguments. Refreshing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I will be pretty disappointed if we draft a CB. This has nothing to do with whether or not it is a current need. Here's how I look at it... We've created a need at CB by our own poor roster management dating back to the early 2000's. Similar to how we've misunderstood the value of the RB position, the Bills have created and filled their own holes in the secondary... In 1999 we drafted Winfield in the first round to fill the hole at DB. In 2001 we drafted Clements in the first round and had a 1-2 tandem in Winfield/Clements. In 2003 we let Winfield go In 2006 we let Clements go ... We use UFA Jabari Greer and 4th RD McGee to plug in these holes eventually, but lose Greer to FA, draft Whitner and begin a new cycle at the position... ... In 2008 we draft McKelvin in the first. In 2012 we draft Gilmore in the first. In 2015 we draft Darby with our first pick (2nd round). In 2016 we get rid of Mckelvin In 2017 we get rid of Gilmore As much as this is a condemnation of the free agent era, it's a frustrating look at how many times we have created and filled holes due to poor roster management. If the argument is that GIlmore is too expensive, well then it's a terrible investment of a first round pick. All the CBs (Winfield, Clements, Gilmore, Whitner and even McKelvin to an extent) were let go to the market because they were too expensive. We continually fall for this trick, and then panic when it's time to pony up. Winfield was probably the only player worth the big contract, and when you look back, the only recurring trend in this ineptitude is that we've missed the playoffs. Yes, other teams have let a lot of quality starters walk because they were too expensive. The Patriots are pretty famous for drafting a player and not resigning him, but I'll argue that for us, these are mostly top 10 picks we're talking about here, not last in the first round. These are positions of value in the draft board that are sure-thing starters...and yet we seem to cyclically release and draft DB's anyways. I've brought this up over the years and I'm often looked at as not understanding how the team is being built. Well, at the 17 year mark all I can do is throw my hands in the air and wonder how wrong have I been? If you're going to let Gilmore go, fine. I don't have a problem with it, really, but you need to STOP the cycle there. You need to use the back half of the draft and bring on depth players to compete for the position. You cannot afford to simply replace with another first round pick because in 4-5 years (less if you count Darby) it will just happen again. To me, it's simple...if you're going to keep getting these high draft picks you NEED to gamble on the game changer, the QB. If you try and fill a position of need, you're going to soon release that player and be right back in the same spot in a few years. If you hit on a QB, the decision is easy. You keep him, you pay him, etc. Every year we go down this same road, every year we scratch our heads at how all these other teams are always in it while we're out. You can't solve ANY problem until you solve the QB problem. TLDR: Don't draft a CB. It's a waste and we'll just let him go in 4-5 years like we've done several times during the drought. Draft a QB. Even if it's a swing and a miss it's a better value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo044 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 With the zone defensive scheme, I don't think you need to draft a CB in the first round. Really wish we would have signed shead from Seattle. Using a 1st rounder to replace a guy you lost in FA is backwards thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) With the zone defensive scheme, I don't think you need to draft a CB in the first round. Really wish we would have signed shead from Seattle. Using a 1st rounder to replace a guy you lost in FA is backwards thinking That logic would eliminate many positions. But I agree our scheme doesnt need that man CB. We need that monster MLB like Foster that can do it all. Edited March 19, 2017 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo044 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 That logic would eliminate many positions. Which ones other than CB? Safety is important in this scheme as is the front 7 That logic would eliminate many positions. But I agree our scheme doesnt need that man CB. We need that monster MLB like Foster that can do it all. I do agree about Foster. Unfortunately we wasted a 2nd last year and a 4th this year on Ragland, a guy who isn't good in the 4-3 scheme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Im thinking OJ Howard in round 1, CB like Tabor in round 2, and a WR like Godwin, Jones, or Kupp in round 3. Agreed^^^^ I have posted something similar in a few threads. OJ would be something we can't pick up in later rounds, but a starting CB and WR #2 we can get. I also suggested we could find a RT to develop as well. That would be a good draft IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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