BeantownRob Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 I was under the 'misconception' that had over $12m available after the 2005 increase? Is this true. I am confused. Alzheimer's is setting in. I need a Labatt's Blue. I have read conflicting numbers on this. HELP? JP TO Lee, SEVEN Not Three!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 You are correct. The recent restructure of Moulds' contract freed up about $3 M, which put us in the $12M under range. The release of Drew next week will free up $2M+ more. So we'll be under the cap by about $14 M at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 There's a recent thread about this on the wall. The Bills will actually be about $8M under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumping platelets Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Since those numbers($12-14 million) were reported, 2 salary escalators have been posted to NFLPA website. Mike Williams' salary jumped from $726,875 to $4 million Nate Clements' salary jumped from $540,000 to $2.5 million Together, that adds up to $5,233,125 off the available cap space My cap page is being updated some time today......I will have the Bills $7,418,595 under before tenders to RFA and EFA, official salary cap number. and cap adjustment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Since those numbers($12-14 million) were reported, 2 salary escalators have been posted to NFLPA website. Mike Williams' salary jumped from $726,875 to $4 million Nate Clements' salary jumped from $540,000 to $2.5 million Together, that adds up to $5,233,125 off the available cap space My cap page is being updated some time today......I will have the Bills $7,418,595 under before tenders to RFA and EFA, official salary cap number. and cap adjustment 244802[/snapback] What about the money needed to set aside for the rookie draft pool. Is that included in your number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Since those numbers($12-14 million) were reported, 2 salary escalators have been posted to NFLPA website. Mike Williams' salary jumped from $726,875 to $4 million Nate Clements' salary jumped from $540,000 to $2.5 million Together, that adds up to $5,233,125 off the available cap space My cap page is being updated some time today......I will have the Bills $7,418,595 under before tenders to RFA and EFA, official salary cap number. and cap adjustment 244802[/snapback] Clumpy is that with Drew or with out Drew? And I thought Nate was around 700,000 to 800,000 range. Why the hike up? Probowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Why did MW get such an escalator???? He didn't make the pro bowl. How can these guys get such big salaries, I thought the whole idea was low base, big bonus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Why did MW get such an escalator???? He didn't make the pro bowl. How can these guys get such big salaries, I thought the whole idea was low base, big bonus? 244811[/snapback] #4 overall pick basically. Whether you pay him upfront, base salary or back end, top 5 picks cost you a ton of money. I have to believe he is going to be restructured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumping platelets Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 What about the money needed to set aside for the rookie draft pool. Is that included in your number? 244805[/snapback] Bills do not know what the rookie pool will be until after the draft and do not need to because... rookie draft choices do not count on the cap officially until they are signed. A team only need to keep enough cap space open come draft day if they have fewer than 51 players under contract. Bills have over 60 players signed This is related to the top 51 rule where during the off-season, teams salary caps are determined by the top 51 cap charges plus any bonuses for those players not within the top 51. Since rookies usually receive the minimum salaries, they are not part of the top 51. Thus, teams do not need to have any cap space heading into the draft unless they have fewer than 51 players under contract. If a team, for example, had only 45 players under contract heading into the draft. They would need to have cap space available for 6 draft choices at the minimum salary (6 x $230,000) = $1.38 million. If they had only $690,000....they could only draft 3 players and sign NO rookie FAs until more cap space was found This happened only once I believe....49ers only had enough cap space for 3 players 1997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Since those numbers($12-14 million) were reported, 2 salary escalators have been posted to NFLPA website. Mike Williams' salary jumped from $726,875 to $4 million Nate Clements' salary jumped from $540,000 to $2.5 million Together, that adds up to $5,233,125 off the available cap space My cap page is being updated some time today......I will have the Bills $7,418,595 under before tenders to RFA and EFA, official salary cap number. and cap adjustment 244802[/snapback] That would explain why the Bills want Matthews to return as JP's back-up... cheap yet serviceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumping platelets Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Clumpy is that with Drew or with out Drew? And I thought Nate was around 700,000 to 800,000 range. Why the hike up? Probowl? 244806[/snapback] My numbers include Drew's release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Bills do not know what the rookie pool will be until after the draft and do not need to because... rookie draft choices do not count on the cap officially until they are signed. A team only need to keep enough cap space open come draft day if they have fewer than 51 players under contract. Bills have over 60 players signed This is related to the top 51 rule where during the off-season, teams salary caps are determined by the top 51 cap charges plus any bonuses for those players not within the top 51. Since rookies usually receive the minimum salaries, they are not part of the top 51. Thus, teams do not need to have any cap space heading into the draft unless they have fewer than 51 players under contract. If a team, for example, had only 45 players under contract heading into the draft. They would need to have cap space available for 6 draft choices at the minimum salary (6 x $230,000) = $1.38 million. If they had only $690,000....they could only draft 3 players and sign NO rookie FAs until more cap space was found This happened only once I believe....49ers only had enough cap space for 3 players 1997 244819[/snapback] Thanks for the info as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 My numbers include Drew's release 244823[/snapback] Thanks maaannn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumping platelets Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Cap page now updated.....use link in my sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeantownRob Posted February 18, 2005 Author Share Posted February 18, 2005 There's a recent thread about this on the wall. The Bills will actually be about $8M under the cap. 244745[/snapback] Thanks for clarifying all of this!!!!! M Williams better show up and produce!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumping platelets Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Hmm.So, is that enough to resign Both Pat and Jonnas? 244838[/snapback] The Bills still have many options to create cap space. Trade Henry, release Prioleau, the unadjusted cap could be higher than $86 million, restructure or extend contracts, etc I'm sure TD is working dilligently on finding additional cap space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 The Bills still have many options to create cap space. Trade Henry, release Prioleau, the unadjusted cap could be higher than $86 million, restructure or extend contracts, etc Yeah we really need more cap space. We have 3 must do moves this offseason with Pat, Jonas and LG. A backup RB and a TE can both come in the draft with our #2 and the #2 we get for henry. Shane is fine as backup QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 The Bills still have many options to create cap space. Trade Henry, release Prioleau, the unadjusted cap could be higher than $86 million, restructure or extend contracts, etc I'm sure TD is working dilligently on finding additional cap space 244849[/snapback] Clump...I am not sure if you answered my question yesterday....but cant the bills do SOMETHING with Mike Williams contract to lessen the hit. Also...for additonal cap space how about - Releasing Teague...Tucker takes his spot - Releasing Coy Wire and Reese - Does Henry getting traded give us any room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Clump...I am not sure if you answered my question yesterday....but cant the bills do SOMETHING with Mike Williams contract to lessen the hit. Also...for additonal cap space how about - Releasing Teague...Tucker takes his spot - Releasing Coy Wire and Reese - Does Henry getting traded give us any room 244920[/snapback] Reese is already an UFA, I'm sure he packed up & left town long ago. My question: Kevin Thomas is an RFA, how much do you have to pay him??? Or does Greer take his place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumping platelets Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Clump...I am not sure if you answered my question yesterday....but cant the bills do SOMETHING with Mike Williams contract to lessen the hit. Also...for additonal cap space how about - Releasing Teague...Tucker takes his spot - Releasing Coy Wire and Reese - Does Henry getting traded give us any room 244920[/snapback] My cap analysis article at BZ will be ready this weekend.....it covers Mike Williams' situation extensively....I will post a link when it's posted I cannot imagine the Bills releasing Teague Wire release saves little cap space and Reese is an UFA Henry trade saves $1.02 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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