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The destruction of this NFL enigma in Mass. has begun. And if your a Bills fan, you will love every minute of it.

 

Phase 1:

 

When teams show a sustainable ability to beat anyone and win the SB, the coordinators immediately become head coaching prospects. Well BOTh Crennel and Weis are gone. Crennel to the turds and Weis to ND.

 

This can have a HUGE effect on the Pats. It most likely means all new schemes and terminology. Belicheck can be a calming force to prevent major waves and keep the transition smoother. But, make no mistake, there will be a transition. The next question is to what? We know that the Pats had something that worked, with a change comes a chance for something that doesnt work. Lets keep our fingers crossed.

It may not end at the O and D coordinators either, teams may raid the Pats for QB coach or others to promote them in their system.

 

Phase 2:

 

The players. This is why the Pats have been successfull. Its been a TEAM of players, not players on a team. That just isnt sustainable when greed comes into the mix. Somehow, the Pats found 53 players who wont complain that they arent paid enough. For the life of me, I dont know how they kept there agents yaps shut. It doesnt matter, its about to end.

 

The other problem with dynastys is that all the other teams now have the Pats players in their cross-hairs. They will pay top dollar for the Pats players and will steal them away from them. Its gonna start soon.

 

In the "about to start complaining about money" category:

 

1) Tom Brady has won 3 superbowls now and 2 SB MVP titles yet is only paid 5.5 mill next year. This simply will not continue forever. Brady or Brady's agent will expect to be paid like a top 5 QB in the league. Then, the Pats will pay the price and eat up valuable cap space on Brady which will hurt them in other areas or maybe even force them to cut players, or the Pats will let him go and then be searching for a new QB.

 

2) Corey Dillon. I still believe he is a ticking time bomb. With his success at the RB spot, and his proven ability to complain, its just a matter of time before his head gets to big and he wants more money.

 

3) Rodney Harrison. The guy is a head case, prick and with his sucess will ask for more money.

 

4) Matt Light- considered their best o-line player, hes at LT, you do the math. Its only a matter of time.

 

5) Deion Branch, Troy Brown, Bethel Johnson. One or more of them will want to be paid like top filght WR's rather than 3rd or 4th stringers like they are now.

 

Guys on there way out:

 

1) David Givens- a UFA and with Brown, Branch, and Johnson do they need him? Hes gone and that hurts the Pats.

 

2) Joe Andruzzi- Hes the unheralded o-lineman and IMO the best player onthat line. Hes a UFA and I hope the Bills land him.

 

Facts are facts. Players want to be paid. And if they win 3 SB's everyone is watching them and will pony up the cash. Its just a matter of time. If any team has won with its coaching its the Pats. Again, teams will give all kinds of promotions, etc... to pry them away, both the Pats coord's are gone; lets hope they get the next Dan Henning!

 

The Bills have been in the background...Bill-ding. And its just about time for them to claim their place in history. Its gonna happen, maybe not next year but pretty damn soon. The Bills are headed up, the Pats are headed down.

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The destruction of this NFL enigma in Mass. has begun. And if your a Bills fan, you will love every minute of it.

 

Phase 1:

 

When teams show a sustainable ability to beat anyone and win the SB, the coordinators immediately become head coaching prospects. Well BOTh Crennel and Weis are gone. Crennel to the turds and Weis to ND.

 

This can have a HUGE effect on the Pats. It most likely means all new schemes and terminology. Belicheck can be a calming force to prevent major waves and keep the transition smoother. But, make no mistake, there will be a transition. The next question is to what? We know that the Pats had something that worked, with a change comes a chance for something that doesnt work. Lets keep our fingers crossed.

It may not end at the O and D coordinators either, teams may raid the Pats for QB coach or others to promote them in their system.

 

Phase 2:

 

The players. This is why the Pats have been successfull. Its been a TEAM of players, not players on a team. That just isnt sustainable when greed comes into the mix. Somehow, the Pats found 53 players who wont complain that they arent paid enough. For the life of me, I dont know how they kept there agents yaps shut. It doesnt matter, its about to end.

 

The other problem with dynastys is that all the other teams now have the Pats players in their cross-hairs. They will pay top dollar for the Pats players and will steal them away from them. Its gonna start soon.

 

In the "about to start complaining about money" category:

 

1) Tom Brady has won 3 superbowls now and 2 SB MVP titles yet is only paid 5.5 mill next year. This simply will not continue forever. Brady or Brady's agent will expect to be paid like a top 5 QB in the league. Then, the Pats will pay the price and eat up valuable cap space on Brady which will hurt them in other areas or maybe even force them to cut players, or the Pats will let him go and then be searching for a new QB.

 

2) Corey Dillon. I still believe he is a ticking time bomb. With his success at the RB spot, and his proven ability to complain, its just a matter of time before his head gets to big and he wants more money.

 

3) Rodney Harrison. The guy is a head case, prick and with his sucess will ask for more money.

 

4) Matt Light- considered their best o-line player, hes at LT, you do the math. Its only a matter of time.

 

5) Deion Branch, Troy Brown, Bethel Johnson. One or more of them will want to be paid like top filght WR's rather than 3rd or 4th stringers like they are now.

 

Guys on there way out:

 

1) David Givens- a UFA and with Brown, Branch, and Johnson do they need him? Hes gone and that hurts the Pats.

 

2) Joe Andruzzi- Hes the unheralded o-lineman and IMO the best player onthat line. Hes a UFA and I hope the Bills land him.

 

Facts are facts. Players want to be paid. And if they win 3 SB's everyone is watching them and will pony up the cash. Its just a matter of time. If any team has won with its coaching its the Pats. Again, teams will give all kinds of promotions, etc... to pry them away, both the Pats coord's are gone; lets hope they get the next Dan Henning!

 

The Bills have been in the background...Bill-ding. And its just about time for them to claim their place in history. Its gonna happen, maybe not next year but pretty damn soon. The Bills are headed up, the Pats are headed down.

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Talk about a lucid dream.

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Do you understand anything about free agency?

 

QB Jim Miller(UFA), RB Patrick Pass(UFA), WR David Patten(UFA), WR David Givens(RFA, 7th), G Joe Andruzzi(UFA), T Adrian Klemm(UFA), T Marques Sullivan(UFA), G Wilbert Brown(UFA), OL Brandon Gorin(RFA, 7th), T Tom Ashworth(RFA), DT Steve Neal(UFA), DE Jarvis Green(RFA, 4th), LB Don Davis(UFA), LB Justin Kurpeikis(RFA), S Je'Rod Cherry(UFA), K Adam Vinatieri(UFA)

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Talk about a lucid dream.

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Dream perhaps, but not knowing much about the NE cap situation, it does look like they at least might lose some pretty good players, in addition to their top asst. coaches.

I would like to see Vinitari bleed them out of a ton of cap space. Andruzzi and Klemm are in a position to cost them some money as well. If they lose them, will they have to go with Marques Sullivan? :lol:

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Dream perhaps, but not knowing much about the NE cap situation, it does look like they at least might lose some pretty good players, in addition to their top asst. coaches.

I would like to see Vinitari bleed them out of a ton of cap space. Andruzzi and Klemm are in a position to cost them some money as well. If they lose them, will they have to go with Marques Sullivan?  :lol:

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It's not going to happen. The pats will dump a guy before he kills them.

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Do you understand anything about free agency?

 

QB Jim Miller(UFA), RB Patrick Pass(UFA), WR David Patten(UFA), WR David Givens(RFA, 7th), G Joe Andruzzi(UFA), T Adrian Klemm(UFA), T Marques Sullivan(UFA), G Wilbert Brown(UFA), OL Brandon Gorin(RFA, 7th), T Tom Ashworth(RFA), DT Steve Neal(UFA), DE Jarvis Green(RFA, 4th), LB Don Davis(UFA), LB Justin Kurpeikis(RFA), S Je'Rod Cherry(UFA), K Adam Vinatieri(UFA)

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Wow, the Marques Sullivan loss would be hard to overcome. :lol:

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It is easy to have a group of players not complaining when you win three Super Bowls in four years.

 

Teddy Brushic (sic) is an example of a player who made his own deal so that he can stay with the Patriots...a lot of players on the team feel the same way.

 

Brady is a smart guy, don't be suprised if he is willing to take less money and stay in NE, the system Belechick has ensures he will be successful, and like the Red Sox, Brady is getting so much endorsement money in NE, he has plenty of incentive to stay.

 

Dillon was only a complainer becasue of his frustration that the Bengals were not trying to win....no worries on that front

 

The loss of Weis and Crennel should have occurred last year, but no "certain teams" just could not wait for this guys to become available. At least the Browns had the foresight to wait this year.,...Belichick is a good judge of talent, don't be suprised at who he sighns to be OC and DC.

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Troy Brown has restructured the last three years in a row. He is at the end of his career and their new CBs are very good.

 

Bethel Johnson will not ask for more money because he hasn't performed! He's one of the few not in the Belichick mold who will be gone next year, big ego.

 

Best you can hope for is that Vrable, Brucschi, Ted Johnson, Rodney Harrison, Phifer,

McGinest are getting a little long in the tooth and are losing a step.

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Dude, stop predicting the Pats downfall. They will be fine as long as Brady is their QB. They are a great team, who consistently kicks our asses. Give them their due.

 

Our TEAM just has to step it up. Comments like Milloy's are not encouraging.

 

Its like...You wanna be the man, you gotta beat the man. Our road towards respectability, the playoffs and the Super Bowl goes thru New England.

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Dude, stop predicting the Pats downfall.  They will be fine as long as Brady is their QB.  They are a great team, who consistently kicks our asses.  Give them their due. 

 

Our TEAM just has to step it up.  Comments like Milloy's are not encouraging.

 

Its like...You wanna be the man, you gotta beat the man.  Our road towards respectability, the playoffs and the Super Bowl goes thru New England.

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And that, in a nutshell, is our quandry.

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Was it Elway??

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1998? So, it's been 6 full years? I thought the recipe for SB rings in the NFL was a 1st round QB per JP Era.

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Was Dilfer picked in the 1st round?

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Dilfer was picked in the first round. He was the last first rounder to win it and that was in 2001 I think.

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How do you figure?  Their only key player who's an UFA is Vinatieri, and they always franchise him.

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Can't you just let us dream??

 

Can't you just enjoy your team's superbowl victory instead of making sure we know the Patriots are going to be good forever?

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this thread is so silly... obviously the patriots have nowhere to go but down... "the clock is ticking"... way to go out on a freakin' limb

 

The damage is done. 3 championships. They got the key number (e.g. no one considers the Broncos a dynasty b/c they won only 2).

 

It's over. They're immortalized. The Patriots and their fans have won.

 

Now let's hope JP Losman doesn't fall on his face.

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Dilfer was picked in the first round. He was the last first rounder to win it and that was in 2001 I think.

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Dilfer was the last 1st round QB pick to win it all, but the more relevant fact is that Troy Aikman was the last first rounder to deliver an SB to the team which picked him.

 

Elway is a 1st rounder who won it twice but he actually was picked by Indy and Elway himself forced a trade because he threatened to bag football and pursue baseball where he was drafted by the Yanks unless he was traded and Denver was able to parlay the fact they fact they had a far better team than Indy (leading to their lower draft position) and traded non-essential players to Indy for Elway.

 

Though he salary cap did not exist at this time as part of the law of the league, it did exist in reality as no team was going to spend beyond the budget they set for their team. Elway proved incapable of leading a team to win the SB unitl he made the decision to take less than the market would give him in exchange for Denver agreeing to use that money to hold on to Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe and other players which put the Denver team over the top under Elway's leadership.

 

The most surprising thing to me this season was that the result last night yet again resulted in the drafting of a QB in the 1st round not to be the way to win an SB. '04 was actually an excellent year for results from 1st round QB selections as 8 or so of the 12 playoff teams were QB'ed by players taken in the first round. This result was an extraordinary departure from past years which look more like last year when only 3 of the 12 teams were QB'ed by 1st round selections of that team.

 

However, in the end, the result was the same and if you are interested in winning (or in most seasons even making the SB as McNabb was the first QB 1st round selection to even get his team to the SB since McNair led TN there in 1999) then you should not draft a QB in the 1st round since this approach has not been a working choice for a team since 1989.

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