dayman Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 If that's the HC you want... You got it. Not saying you are wrong or right, just not the type of guy I want running the show. I want the DC running defense, OC running offense and HC running the whole show with his eye on the big picture. That's why there are 3 different positions on almost every football team. It's hard to find a 1 dimensional HC that has won a SB. They all have specialties, but the champions keep their eye on the prize and let their coordinators handle the details. CEO is what it takes to run an NFL team. It's too big and complex these days. Look if Rex makes 2 AFC championships and then flames out that's an unbelievable success for us. Remember who you are talking to. We get it, Rex wasn't wildly successful overall hence why he was fired and took a job with Buffalo. If he makes the playoffs he's our hero. Plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momentoftrth Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 so is he involved in the offense or not? I'm confused. Sometimes you say he is only focused on the D and completely delegates to the OC, now you say he micromanaged the OC and took over the QBs and playcalling. It's a good question. Let me explain... The HC has to see the big picture. Pete Carroll is a defensive specialist. Secondary to be specific. I am sure he is extra involved with that particular unit on his team. But when it came to Wilson being the starting QB Carroll created the environment where Wilson had a chance to compete and Carroll had the guts to award him the starting job. He isn't calling plays on offense, but he knew they were not good enough the pervious year and made sure there was open comp and that he wouldn't settle unit he found a winner. He also chose his coordinators. I didn't blame Rex for the horrible play calling in the AFCCG in Pittsburgh on the goalline. That was our OC. It's not the details it's the big picture stuff. If your team leads the league in turnovers.... For 6 years.... That's the HC. If you lead the league for a few games, that's the coordinator. But once it's a pattern the HC needs to make changes and fix it. But if all you are focused on is running the defense you're not seeing the big picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 It's a good question. Let me explain... The HC has to see the big picture. Pete Carroll is a defensive specialist. Secondary to be specific. I am sure he is extra involved with that particular unit on his team. But when it came to Wilson being the starting QB Carroll created the environment where Wilson had a chance to compete and Carroll had the guts to award him the starting job. He isn't calling plays on offense, but he knew they were not good enough the pervious year and made sure there was open comp and that he wouldn't settle unit he found a winner. He also chose his coordinators. I didn't blame Rex for the horrible play calling in the AFCCG in Pittsburgh on the goalline. That was our OC. It's not the details it's the big picture stuff. If your team leads the league in turnovers.... For 6 years.... That's the HC. If you lead the league for a few games, that's the coordinator. But once it's a pattern the HC needs to make changes and fix it. But if all you are focused on is running the defense you're not seeing the big picture. And you really believe that Rex Ryan is sitting with the Defense while this is all going on huh? I mean....I know your a fan but come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momentoftrth Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 No offense but your talking out both sides of your mouth.... - I dont have any intention of being negative on Rex Ryan and you couldnt convince me if you tried - Your basing everything you say over what happened....both with your defense AND with Roman on this last year.....you really cant do that if you want to be objective fan. - Roman's offense prior to this last year has been deeeeeep into the playoffs. If the offense had not faltered he wouldnt even be availble to the bills - Rex Ryan's defense.....as a whole (not counting this last year) have been very good in nearly every stat catagory. Lets keep in mind the defensive talent he is walking into this year......which would make ANY DC look good. With Rex Ryan's defensive mind.......well...... I commented on Rex's 6 years over and over and over again. Not one year. And I asked a question about Roman. I didn't say he sucked, I said his offense was flat last year with a lot of returning talent and healthy squad. Just curious what people think. I know next to nothing about Roman. I do know Harbaugh got all the QB whisperer credit in SF, so I don't know what Romans credit should or shouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) It's a good question. Let me explain... The HC has to see the big picture. Pete Carroll is a defensive specialist. Secondary to be specific. I am sure he is extra involved with that particular unit on his team. But when it came to Wilson being the starting QB Carroll created the environment where Wilson had a chance to compete and Carroll had the guts to award him the starting job. He isn't calling plays on offense, but he knew they were not good enough the pervious year and made sure there was open comp and that he wouldn't settle unit he found a winner. He also chose his coordinators. I didn't blame Rex for the horrible play calling in the AFCCG in Pittsburgh on the goalline. That was our OC. It's not the details it's the big picture stuff. If your team leads the league in turnovers.... For 6 years.... That's the HC. If you lead the league for a few games, that's the coordinator. But once it's a pattern the HC needs to make changes and fix it. But if all you are focused on is running the defense you're not seeing the big picture. i think they lead the lead in TOs because the GMs drafted the Sanchise Turnover Machine, then Turnover Machine Jr, and then signed the Original Turnover Machine Vick to back him up. I commented on Rex's 6 years over and over and over again. Not one year. And I asked a question about Roman. I didn't say he sucked, I said his offense was flat last year with a lot of returning talent and healthy squad. Just curious what people think. I know next to nothing about Roman. I do know Harbaugh got all the QB whisperer credit in SF, so I don't know what Romans credit should or shouldn't be. their OL wasn't at all healthy. And if you google Jim Harbaugh 2014 you will learn a lot about what went down with SF's offense. Edited January 26, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momentoftrth Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 he didn't guarantee it this year if you listened to the press conf ( I can't imagine you did but kind of starting to wonder). But I have no problem with it, sorry. The team is more than good enough and yes, they will get a decent QB IMO. 9 months to go until the season, FA hadn't started, can't do any trades, draft isn't for 3 months, TC not for 7 months, what "signs" of another QB do I need in January other that the fact that every single FO and coach said they are bringing one in? Honestly I didn't see it. I just saw a bunch of stuff on ESPN and other networks saying Rex guaranteed the playoffs in 2015 and he complained that the defense was only ranked 4th. But the media is about as reliable as Geno Smith or EJ Manuel. =) what did he actually say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 It's a good question. Let me explain... The HC has to see the big picture. Pete Carroll is a defensive specialist. Secondary to be specific. I am sure he is extra involved with that particular unit on his team. But when it came to Wilson being the starting QB Carroll created the environment where Wilson had a chance to compete and Carroll had the guts to award him the starting job. He isn't calling plays on offense, but he knew they were not good enough the pervious year and made sure there was open comp and that he wouldn't settle unit he found a winner. He also chose his coordinators. I didn't blame Rex for the horrible play calling in the AFCCG in Pittsburgh on the goalline. That was our OC. It's not the details it's the big picture stuff. If your team leads the league in turnovers.... For 6 years.... That's the HC. If you lead the league for a few games, that's the coordinator. But once it's a pattern the HC needs to make changes and fix it. But if all you are focused on is running the defense you're not seeing the big picture. I'm still so confused. If Rex is focused on running the defense, did he insist that Sanchez stay as long as he did, or not? Did he insist on playing Geno as long as he did, or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I commented on Rex's 6 years over and over and over again. Not one year. And I asked a question about Roman. I didn't say he sucked, I said his offense was flat last year with a lot of returning talent and healthy squad. Just curious what people think. I know next to nothing about Roman. I do know Harbaugh got all the QB whisperer credit in SF, so I don't know what Romans credit should or shouldn't be. So just so I understand what you are saying.......that Rex Ryan's defense has not been good the last 6 years? You really want to stick behind that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Honestly I didn't see it. I just saw a bunch of stuff on ESPN and other networks saying Rex guaranteed the playoffs in 2015 and he complained that the defense was only ranked 4th. But the media is about as reliable as Geno Smith or EJ Manuel. =) what did he actually say?he said they were going to the playoffs. When asked if he guaranteed for this year, he said no. I think he should have though. Anyway he didn't complain the defense was 4th, just that he expects higher for the talent level. He's not wrong. Though Schwartz did well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momentoftrth Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) you seem like you really care about Rex going to the Bills. You might notice not many people here have said much about Chan Gailey. I do have an old "yes we Chan" shirt if you want it. He's a nice man. So do you still think Rex ran the exact same scheme this year with those "corners"? Chans not our HC. I can't imagine most fans care about assistant coaches moving around the league. He unquestionably ran the same scheme. There was a little more zone involved than usual, but just look at the 2 games he played against your team last year. Not the 16 I watched, just the two vs the Bills. Did you see any innovation? Did you anything new from 2009-2013? Did you see any halftime adjustments that turned the game around? Or did you see the Jets defense make Ortin look like Peyton Manning? Those games weren't even competitive. Edited January 26, 2015 by Momentoftrth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Chants not our OC. I can't imagine most fans care about assistant coaches moving around the league. He unquestionably ran the same scheme. There was a little more zone involved than usual, but just look at the 2 games he played against your team last year. Not the 16 I watched, just the two vs the Bills. Did you see any innovation? Did you anything new from 2009-2013? Did you see any halftime adjustments that turned the game around? Or did you see the Jets defense make Ortin look like Peyton Manning? Those games weren't even competitive. he ran a ton of zone! Orton does look like Peyton manning when a team has no secondary. That was only the Jets. Chan was our HC not our OC so yes, you would think some people would care. Edited January 26, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momentoftrth Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'm still so confused. If Rex is focused on running the defense, did he insist that Sanchez stay as long as he did, or not? Did he insist on playing Geno as long as he did, or not? He didn't institue a competitive environment with low level talent at the QB position. Sanchez was a disaster in 2011, in 2012 there wasn't the slightest hint of competition in camp, and we had more than Tebow in camp... We had Stanton, who did well in AZ this year. After a lack luster rookie year, we bring in Vick and it is common knowledge that the QB competition this past year for the Jets was a sham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 He didn't institue a competitive environment with low level talent at the QB position. Sanchez was a disaster in 2011, in 2012 there wasn't the slightest hint of competition in camp, and we had more than Tebow in camp... We had Stanton, who did well in AZ this year. After a lack luster rookie year, we bring in Vick and it is common knowledge that the QB competition this past year for the Jets was a sham. was he responsible for bringing in the QBs? He won't be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 He didn't institue a competitive environment with low level talent at the QB position. Sanchez was a disaster in 2011, in 2012 there wasn't the slightest hint of competition in camp, and we had more than Tebow in camp... We had Stanton, who did well in AZ this year. After a lack luster rookie year, we bring in Vick and it is common knowledge that the QB competition this past year for the Jets was a sham. And how much of that do you think it could be just lack of GM and Owner support of HC? Sounds like there was a lot of turmoil going on down there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momentoftrth Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 So just so I understand what you are saying.......that Rex Ryan's defense has not been good the last 6 years? You really want to stick behind that? Well, over and over I have been told here that Rex had garbage players and was screwed by our horrible front office. So are you saying with garbage talent he fielded great defenses? What I would say is this. Rex is a great defensive mind. I think his defenses are easy to beat. They fold when it counts. It's a combo of lack of discipline and poor conditioning. They get winded after about 5-6 plays. One of the reason they failed so often at the end of halfs and end of games. They also were the worst at turnovers, which I couldn't understand. I think he would be a top 3 coordinator if he went back to focusing on that side of the ball.... officially =) And how much of that do you think it could be just lack of GM and Owner support of HC? Sounds like there was a lot of turmoil going on down there That's a fact was he responsible for bringing in the QBs? He won't be here. Of coarse he wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Well, over and over I have been told here that Rex had garbage players and was screwed by our horrible front office. So are you saying with garbage talent he fielded great defenses? What I would say is this. Rex is a great defensive mind. I think his defenses are easy to beat. They fold when it counts. It's a combo of lack of discipline and poor conditioning. They get winded after about 5-6 plays. One of the reason they failed so often at the end of halfs and end of games. They also were the worst at turnovers, which I couldn't understand. I think he would be a top 3 coordinator if he went back to focusing on that side of the ball.... officially =) That's a fact Of coarse he wasn't. Revis didn't have a lot of picks because no one threw at him. Now they don't get picks because they aren't good corners. Seems pretty easy to figure out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Well, over and over I have been told here that Rex had garbage players and was screwed by our horrible front office. So are you saying with garbage talent he fielded great defenses? What I would say is this. Rex is a great defensive mind. I think his defenses are easy to beat. They fold when it counts. It's a combo of lack of discipline and poor conditioning. They get winded after about 5-6 plays. One of the reason they failed so often at the end of halfs and end of games. They also were the worst at turnovers, which I couldn't understand. I think he would be a top 3 coordinator if he went back to focusing on that side of the ball.... officially =) That's a fact Of coarse he wasn't. Sounds more like a great defensive mind making chicken salad out of chicken **** And just so you know what fans think of Rex Ryan's defenses that are NOT jets fans (and we are in some position to monitor this as well......its a defense that is in our division......and while our team has been sitting at home watching because we are out of playoffs while the jets have had years that they have gone deep within (one of the thing facts you keep omitting from your posts) Rex Ryan teams are good against the run even though they blitz like crazy.....they are physical and hit hard (right up to this year there is a common sense that jets teams would "push bills teams around on the field" Lets face it.....you dont have a lot of talent on that team....and that is directly related to poor front office. Your corners are not good.....your offense gives the defense little to no help during games.....and on and on. You cant blame the coach for all that.....maybe what should be happening is commending a coach that did a lot with little (until the wheels finally came off this year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momentoftrth Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Revis didn't have a lot of picks because no one threw at him. Now they don't get picks because they aren't good corners. Seems pretty easy to figure out. Is there any other ways of creating turnovers on defense than your #1 corner picking the ball off? I'm not a football expert so I'm not sure. I wish the 4 1st round picks we had on our front seven could have contributed in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Is there any other ways of creating turnovers on defense than your #1 corner picking the ball off? I'm not a football expert so I'm not sure. I wish the 4 1st round picks we had on our front seven could have contributed in that area.maybe they aren't as good as you think? I don't know what to tell you but scheme isn't going to make your DE cause a strip sack if he's not Mario Williams or pick off a pass if he's not Kyle. Btw you really overrate Coples, man. I don't care where he was drafted. Edited January 26, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momentoftrth Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 maybe they aren't as good as you think? I don't know what to tell you but scheme isn't going to make your DE cause a strip sack if he's not Mario Williams or pick off a pass if he's not Kyle. Btw you really overrate Coples, man. I don't care where he was drafted. I do overrate him. I've herad that before. It's becuase as a DE he can get it done, but he was moved to OLB. You're not the first to say it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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