ny33 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 The fact that Hopkins wasn't IRed weeks ago, after Carpenter showed competence for several weeks, is a massive indictment of management. Only the Bills would carry two kickers five weeks into the season and fail to have a veteran backup for our first round QB. Only the Bills would have Tuel as the #2 QB on the roster; he should be the third behind EJ and a vet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 There are plenty of teams around the league that would be in similar situations as us if their starting QB were to get injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNCH OF MULARKEY Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Yup yup and yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 There are plenty of teams around the league that would be in similar situations as us if their starting QB were to get injured. The Patriots come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted October 6, 2013 Author Share Posted October 6, 2013 There are plenty of teams around the league that would be in similar situations as us if their starting QB were to get injured. Those teams would either have a veteran backup, three QBs on the roster, or an early draft pick with an NFL arm as a backup. NO team would carry an injured kicker five weeks on the roster when the starting kicker has been excellent. It's crazy. The Patriots come to mind. The Pats have Mallett, who has an arm and is a veteran. Tuel wasn't ready to play. There is no reason to have had a roster spot used for an injured kicker instead of a third QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNCH OF MULARKEY Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Tuel and Hopkins are both wasted roster spots. Don't get me wrong I've liked most of what the organization has done. Hindsight is 20/20 but they should have kept Taveres and practice squaded tuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted October 6, 2013 Author Share Posted October 6, 2013 Tuel and Hopkins are both wasted roster spots. Don't get me wrong I've liked most of what the organization has done. Hindsight is 20/20 but they should have kept Taveres and practice squaded tuel. I would have been o.k. with Tuel as the third QB, but the fact that he was the only backup and that we have had two kickers on the roster for five weeks is complete mismanagement. Very few franchises are run this poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 There are plenty of teams around the league that would be in similar situations as us if their starting QB were to get injured. really? plenty of teams with a rookie QB starting and an undrafted rookie as the 2nd QB ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) The Saints have carried two kickers a lot the last few years bc Hartley just can't seem to stay healthy The plan was for Carpenter to kick a few weeks before being replaced by Hopkins but with way he is kicking I fully expect Hopkins to get IR'd Its funny how everyone is down on Tuel when a lot of ppl on this board thought he should start and didn't think Bills needed a vet backup bc of him. Let's not get too down on him though, he got thrown into a game on the road that he prob didn't get much practice time for. In saying all that it was beyond dumb to go into the season with just two rookie QBs on the roster Edited October 6, 2013 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBUffalo Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 You can't IR a player who doesn't actually have a major injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNCH OF MULARKEY Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I would have been o.k. with Tuel as the third QB, but the fact that he was the only backup and that we have had two kickers on the roster for five weeks is complete mismanagement. Very few franchises are run this poorly. No doubt about it. Thing is I haven't seen a lot of Hopkins but I'm willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that carpenter is better anyways. Why wouldn't they just shelf this guy till next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted October 6, 2013 Author Share Posted October 6, 2013 The Saints have carried two kickers a lot the last few years bc Hartley just can't seem to stay healthy The plan was for Carpenter to kick a few weeks before being replaced by Hopkins but with way he is kicking I fully expect Hopkins to get IR'd Its funny how everyone is down on Tuel when a lot of ppl on this board thought he should start and didn't think Bills needed a vet backup bc of him. Let's not get too down on him though, he got thrown into a game on the road that he prob didn't get much practice time for. In saying all that it was beyond dumb to go into the season with just two rookie QBs on the roster I don't have a problem with Tuel being on the roster- I have a problem with, as you said, "going into the season with just two rookie QBs on the roster," especially when a roster spot is being used for a second kicker instead of compensating for injuries to other positions. You can't IR a player who doesn't actually have a major injury. You can, and teams do so all the time. Any injury keeping a player out for five weeks is long enough for a team to claim that the player would need the recovery time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 The Pats have Mallett, who has an arm and is a veteran. Tuel wasn't ready to play. There is no reason to have had a roster spot used for an injured kicker instead of a third QB. Mallett's arm and years in the league don't mean much. If the Pats have to rely on him, they're done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 The Pats have Mallett, who has an arm and is a veteran. Tuel wasn't ready to play. There is no reason to have had a roster spot used for an injured kicker instead of a third QB. Mallet has barely seen enough playing time to call him a veteran. really? plenty of teams with a rookie QB starting and an undrafted rookie as the 2nd QB ? Denver: OsweilerSaints: McCown Giants: Painter Ravens (only have two QB's): Tyrod Tayler - 3 NFL seasons - 18 completions Falcons (only two QB's): Dominque Davis - 1 NFL season - 0 completions, 0 attempts Packers (2 QB's): Senca Wallace Chargers: Whitehurst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted October 6, 2013 Author Share Posted October 6, 2013 Mallett's arm and years in the league don't mean much. If the Pats have to rely on him, they're done. Sure- of course going from Brady, Rodgers, Brees, or Manning to their backups would render them done- but that doesn't change the fact that we should have had a third, veteran QB as a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 You can't IR a player who doesn't actually have a major injury. Really? How many players have Bills IR'd last few years without major injuries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted October 6, 2013 Author Share Posted October 6, 2013 Mallet has barely seen enough playing time to call him a veteran. Denver: Osweiler Saints: McCown Giants: Painter Ravens (only have two QB's): Tyrod Tayler - 3 NFL seasons - 18 completions Falcons (only two QB's): Dominque Davis - 1 NFL season - 0 completions, 0 attempts Packers (2 QB's): Senca Wallace Chargers: Whitehurst. There's a massive difference between those players and the UDFA in Jeff Tuel backing up our rookie QB. Never mind the fact that Tuel was mediocre in college and has a weak arm. Some of those teams are carrying three QBs, fyi. No other team has ever carried in an UDFA or late round rookie as their only backup to a rookie QB. That's not to mention the tutoring component of having a veteran backup to EJ. It's embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 There's a massive difference between those players and the UDFA in Jeff Tuel backing up our rookie QB. Never mind the fact that Tuel was mediocre in college and has a weak arm. Some of those teams are carrying three QBs, fyi. No other team has ever carried in an UDFA or late round rookie as their only backup to a rookie QB. That's not to mention the tutoring component of having a veteran backup to EJ. It's embarrassing. Taylor and Davis. Meh... Both of those teams could win their division. Losing Falco or Ryan would cost them major wins and likely a playoff seat. That holds more grav0tiy to the situation then the rebuilding Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNCH OF MULARKEY Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Maybe if they somehow could land freeman(doubtful), managements blunder could be a blessing in disguise. I think he's probably better than ej. The timing of the release and our injury is impeccable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted October 6, 2013 Author Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) Taylor and Davis. Meh... Both of those teams could win their division. Losing Falco or Ryan would cost them major wins and likely a playoff seat. That holds more grav0tiy to the situation then the rebuilding Bills. I'm not disputing that, but E.J. and the rookies would have benefitted from having a solid QB backup to tutor him and Tuel, and come in in case of injury. We need Woods, Goodwin, and Graham to get targets and catches. We should have emulated the Redskins and drafted a mid-round rookie backup, or had a veteran option like the Seahawks did for Wilson last year. Edited October 6, 2013 by ny33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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