FireChan Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 That FG is why we won the game...so yes, what a playmaker Colin Brown also gets credit for the win then too, right? He blocked for the run. Colin Brown won us the game? Why are we being so negative towards Colin, guys? He's a once-in-a-decade talent and when he bounces back next week, you'll all see! He looks like a future HoFer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
910BillsFan Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I like Freddy as much as anyone on this board, he is a true pro and one hell of a teammate... but to say Fred looked good and CJ was awful is short sighted and lazy. Fred had one great run and he also fumbled but was bailed out by one of the Jets 20 penalties. Spiller essentially played a half and got 10 carries against a very good run D and I'd bet 8 of those carries were out of the shotgun/read option garbage. Its pointless when EJ never keeps the ball. CJ is an elite back but we haven't game planned for his strengths this season. He's great in space, we all know this. So why less screens, counters, and tosses? AP is great with a fullback in front of him so what do the Vikings do? They put a damn fullback in front of him and let him do what he does. Fact of the matter is until EJ proves he can beat man coverage and 8 man boxes Hackett is going to have to get creative on how he gets Spiller the ball on the perimeter. These shotgun dives are the equivalent of banging your head against the wall. Just my 2 cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I only read a few pages of this thread..but from my point of view...all those posters who slammed Gailey for the way he used Spiller should apologize. Spiller is a unique talent that needs to be used properly and Gailey did just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 This^ I actually miss Gailey's creativeness when it came to using Spiller... Has he lined up outside yet this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Personally I think this Offensive scheme and play calling has as much to do with Spiller's poor results than anything... But I do agree with the OP...In a way at least...I think more than the every-down thing with Spiller Chan realized there was a way to use Spiller, and a way NOT to use Spiller...Hackett is trying to use Spiller the way he would use any RB...That's why Freddie looks better in this Offense...Freddie is more of a conventional back who gets you the tough yards between the OT's...Spiller needs SPACE...But all too often the plays call for him to hit a clogged gap on the interior, and that is simply not CJ's game...Remember how little CJ saw the ball last year in short yardage after the goal-line fumble vs. NE?... If I was Hackett I would go back to the drawing board on how to utilize Spiller...Pick out his favorite running plays and screens from last year and start working that stuff in starting this week...One thing is 100% certain...The read option look that has CJ taking the ball and running into a mass of humanity between the OG's and OT's is failing miserably... Spiller is a different kind of RB...I still think there is no question he can carry the load...But not in the same way Adrian Peterson and other more conventional RB's do it...You have to be creative with the way you utilize CJ...Run a couple conventional running plays to keep the Defense honest...But mainly find ways to get him into space so he can do his thing... Lastly...It does not help that Defenses are clearly concentrating on stopping Spiller...And they should...We have a Rookie QB who is unproven...This is Hackett's main dilemma...It's the Bills Offense that has mostly been thrown off by what the Defenses are doing to stop them...They are not doing much to keep the Defenses honest through a creative or effective game-plan...This is the problem with most NFL Offenses when you have a Rookie QB...And until Hackett can come up with a few wrinkles, especially on 1st down, it's going to be more of the same...Look at how effective those two simple FB passes were vs. Carolina...That's the kind of play that keeps Defenses honest, and gives your Rookie QB confidence... Anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucethomas34 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Spiller CAN"T handle the ball every down. He gets hurt. Period. I've said this ever since his boo boo in the pre season game. He's a little soft, hopefully he mans up and starts winning us some ball games soon. Kinda missing beast mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Chan did wonders. His choice of DW is a mystery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Chan did wonders. His choice of DW is a mystery Seriously? What the hell was he thinking? Gailey, Pettine, and Fitz and we are 3-0. I liek EJ as the future but if we had Fitz and Gailey no doubt we are 3-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Seriously? What the hell was he thinking? Gailey, Pettine, and Fitz and we are 3-0. I liek EJ as the future but if we had Fitz and Gailey no doubt we are 3-0. Oh not sure about that the jets defense did exactly what they would have vs Fitz. I think the score would have been more lopsided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Last time I'm gonna comment on a theoretical fitz starting this year comment but really ? I can't say I agree 3-0 w fitz ? Fitz would have 8 Int's by now 0-3 is more like it. Are you forgetting the plays EJ made both vs pats and panthers ? I'll take EJ all day everyday personally.. SJ drop killed EJ's first win vs Brady. Fitz stunk. It's why he backs up now....just as he did pre buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 That FG is why we won the game...so yes, what a playmaker When was the last time you saw Spiller get a carry that wasnt a draw up the middle in an obvious play call? He has not been used at all properly and the OL has been atrocious at creating holes inside...atrocious. A RB needs lanes, period. Whether they are designed or available via cut back, he needs a lane. Spiller missed a few cut backs week 1, but bounced back week 2. This week, there was NO room to run anywhere, not his fault Kind of saying the same thing here. Spiller is very talented but like many running backs lacks versatility. Tough in between the tackle stuffis not his forte. Even all world AP is not considered a good 3rd down back. Workhorse games with touch after touch might not be either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MClem06 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. TOP reasons for CJ not producing this game - 1)OC used shotgun draws everytime when the JETS D was stacked in the box. 2)not used in the pass/screen game 3) You don't run plays up the middle with CJ, you put the team in the i formation and run offtackle or outside and let him bounce out if he needs to. I do think that the playcallling was at fault here more than CJ. and if you need a 4th 4) the Jets run D Played really well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKA Bigdog Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 He's soft and shouldn't be running between the tackles like a lynch or morris, that much is obvious to everyone but the genius running our offense. The fact our OL suxs donkey balls isn't helping his cause either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Lastly...It does not help that Defenses are clearly concentrating on stopping Spiller...And they should...We have a Rookie QB who is unproven...This is Hackett's main dilemma...It's the Bills Offense that has mostly been thrown off by what the Defenses are doing to stop them...They are not doing much to keep the Defenses honest through a creative or effective game-plan...This is the problem with most NFL Offenses when you have a Rookie QB..OC Anyway... Corrected. If we had an OC with more experience coming up the ranks rather than tagging along with HC they could overcome this obstacle. The OC is trying to drive RB as a truck rather than a Ferarri. The coaching staff should be looking for an offense consultant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf Sandwich Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) Corrected. If we had an OC with more experience coming up the ranks rather than tagging along with HC they could overcome this obstacle. The OC is trying to drive RB as a truck rather than a Ferarri. The coaching staff should be looking for an offense consultant. You have to start somewhere... No coach ever started with NFL coaching experience when they first start coaching. Bills are a perfect team for this first time coach. Edited September 23, 2013 by Meatloaf Sandwich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 You have to start somewhere... No coach ever started with NFL coaching experience when they first start coaching. Bills are a perfect team for this first time coach. Why are they a perfect team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) Why are they a perfect team? The Kid Nate has alot to learn. he is moving too slow for us fans but he aint dumb.Chan was one of my favorite Bills OC. excepting he wasnt the OC . as mentioned correctly. Hackett could use some pointers from Gailley about now . I still am behind the new generation here . But i better see both spiller lined up as WR and he and Fred in the backfield. And why no Summers yesterday ? Learning curve gentlemen ,is the answer i believe. welcome to the NFL. Spiller is a mismatch not a work horse. Edited September 23, 2013 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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