flipper14 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) These coaching searches are interesting in that nobody knows what will happen. One coach may be great with one organization and poor with another. Some guys have better reputations than their resumes warrant and the flip side is also true. I like posting resumes without names and then having people guess. Coach No. 1 14 years of either head coaching or offensive coordinator experience Total Wins as either head coach or OC: 121 in 14 seasons (8.64 wins per season) Regular season points per game: 21.02 points per game (4708 pts. in 224 games) No. 1 scoring offense: 0 Top 5 scoring offenses: 2 Top half (top 16) of NFL scoring offenses: 4 top-half of NFL scoring offenses in 16 seasons Playoff appearances: 7 in 14 seasons Playoff victories: 6 in 14 seasons Coach No. 2 11 years of either head coaching or offensive coordinator experience Total Wins as either head coach or OC: 101 in 11 seasons (9.09 wins per season) Regular season points per game: 23.74 points per game (4107 pts. in 173 games) No. 1 scoring offense: 1 Top 5 scoring offenses: 3 Top half (top 16) of NFL scoring offenses: 9 in 11 seasons Playoff appearances: 6 in 11 seasons Playoff victories: 5 in 11 seasons Hint: one coach is sought after by many teams to be their head coach; the other coach will most likely never coach another game as an NFL head coach Point 1: head coach success is part getting lucky and landing in the right situation; Point 2: not all good coordinators are necessarily made to be great head coaches Edited January 3, 2013 by flipper14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 These coaching searches are interesting in that nobody knows what will happen. One coach may be great with one organization and poor with another. Some guys have better reputations than their resumes warrant and the flip side is also true. I like posting resumes without names and then having people guess. Coach No. 1 14 years of either head coaching or offensive coordinator experience Total Wins as either head coach or OC: 121 in 14 seasons (8.64 wins per season) Regular season points per game: 21.02 points per game (4708 pts. in 224 games) No. 1 scoring offense: 0 Top 5 scoring offenses: 2 Top half (top 16) of NFL scoring offenses: 4 top-half of NFL scoring offenses in 16 seasons Playoff appearances: 7 in 14 seasons Playoff victories: 6 in 14 seasons Coach No. 2 11 years of either head coaching or offensive coordinator experience Total Wins as either head coach or OC: 101 in 11 seasons (9.09 wins per season) Regular season points per game: 23.74 points per game (4107 pts. in 173 games) No. 1 scoring offense: 1 Top 5 scoring offenses: 3 Top half (top 16) of NFL scoring offenses: 9 in 11 seasons Playoff appearances: 6 in 11 seasons Playoff victories: 5 in 11 seasons Hint: one coach is sought after by many teams to be their head coach; the other coach will most likely never coach another game as an NFL head coach Point 1: head coach leadership is part getting lucky and landing in the right situation; Point 2: not all good coordinators are necessarily made to be great head coaches Just guessing here with zero research at all, but: 1 - Chan Gailey 2 - Mike McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper14 Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 I won't make everybody research it but Coach No. 1 is Jon Gruden. Coach No. 2 is Cam Cameron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) I won't make everybody research it but Coach No. 1 is Jon Gruden. Coach No. 2 is Cam Cameron. by combining OC/HC and providing almost no context - you can draw ridiculous comparisons to guys all over the league. Edited January 3, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper14 Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 by combining OC/HC and providing almost no context - you can draw ridiculous comparisons to guys all over the league. I don't think it's ridiculous at all. I think it shows that perception isn't always reality. Jon Gruden's perceived as an offensive guru and his offenses have been very average throughout his career. I also understand why if you were a GM you would clearly hire Jon Gruden as a head coach over Cam Cameron. However, there are successful coaches like Cam Cameron who because they are on the bigger stage (playoffs) more often and might now win a Super Bowl whose perception is far below their productivity. To think that Jon Gruden's been in charge of NFL offenses for 14 seasons and has only had four of those years result in an offense that finished in the top HALF of the league is stunning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) I don't think it's ridiculous at all. I think it shows that perception isn't always reality. Jon Gruden's perceived as an offensive guru and his offenses have been very average throughout his career. I also understand why if you were a GM you would clearly hire Jon Gruden as a head coach over Cam Cameron. However, there are successful coaches like Cam Cameron who because they are on the bigger stage (playoffs) more often and might now win a Super Bowl whose perception is far below their productivity. To think that Jon Gruden's been in charge of NFL offenses for 14 seasons and has only had four of those years result in an offense that finished in the top HALF of the league is stunning. cam just got canned. so hes not on his way to a super bowl. also, when comparing them for a head coaching gig you have to note as an actual head coach gruden was in a different stratosphere. Cam cameron is 1-15 as a head coach in the nfl and 18-37 in college. gruden is 100-85 as a head coach including a superbowl ring. but your right, cam has been an offensive coordinator at a few stops that had a lot of talent to work with. probably helps those rankings. like i said, combining the coordinator and hc positions, and then going blind of the talent they worked with im sure you can draw a lot of comparisons to other guys around the league. Edited January 3, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper14 Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 cam just got canned. so hes not on his way to a super bowl. also, when comparing them for a head coaching gig you have to note as an actual head coach gruden was in a different stratosphere. Cam cameron is 1-15 as a head coach in the nfl and 18-37 in college. gruden is 100-85 as a head coach including a superbowl ring. but your right, cam has been an offensive coordinator at a few stops that had a lot of talent to work with. probably helps those rankings. like i said, combining the positions coordinator and hc positions, and then going blind of the talent they worked with im sure you can draw a lot of comparisons to other guys around the league. I'm not comparing the two as head coaches. As for talent, successful coaches tend to have good talent. Gruden obviously had great defensive talent in Tampa that helped him win many of those games, just as Cameron had great defensive talent in Baltimore. Cam also had a starting quarterback in those 11 years that averaged less than three years of experience as a starter. Again, my point wasn't to compare those two coaches. My point is fans following these searches shouldn't get too worked up over a hire based on how a coach is perceived or based on pure stats, especially when a coordinator is elevated to a head coaching position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I'm not comparing the two as head coaches. As for talent, successful coaches tend to have good talent. Gruden obviously had great defensive talent in Tampa that helped him win many of those games, just as Cameron had great defensive talent in Baltimore. Cam also had a starting quarterback in those 11 years that averaged less than three years of experience as a starter. Again, my point wasn't to compare those two coaches. My point is fans following these searches shouldn't get too worked up over a hire based on how a coach is perceived or based on pure stats, especially when a coordinator is elevated to a head coaching position. and my point is the stats you presented are junk at their very core. comparing a head coaches record to an OCs record isnt meaningful to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 boom, you just got SERVED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 boom, you just got SERVED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper14 Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 and my point is the stats you presented are junk at their very core. comparing a head coaches record to an OCs record isnt meaningful to begin with. With the exception of the head coach/OC win-loss record, how are the other stats junk? The other stats are what they are. Gruden was the playcaller as the head coach. It wasn't as if he had an offensive coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcxpbhM0DaA The only movie I know him for is Fargo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) With the exception of the head coach/OC win-loss record, how are the other stats junk? The other stats are what they are. Gruden was the playcaller as the head coach. It wasn't as if he had an offensive coordinator. You don't see how the talent level on the offenses in question is a major factor? The San Diego offenses could've been coaches by a 13 year old and possibly been more successful than the Sean king/brad Johnson led gruden ones. You're giving super raw, apple to orange (head coach vs coordinator), out of context (no regard for talent) stats to show two guys with very different resumes aren't that different. It doesn't work. Edited January 4, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) The only movie I know him for is Fargo. He was in another movie. A low budget film named log jamming. He played the cable guy. Edited January 4, 2013 by wonderbread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 He was in another movie. A low budget film named log jamming. He played the cable guy. Thanks for that. Worth watching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Thanks for that. Worth watching? Its from the Big Lebowski. He's in it. That IMHO is very worth watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Its from the Big Lebowski. He's in it. That IMHO is very worth watching. Enjoyed the Big Lebowski. Didn't remember Stormare being in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Enjoyed the Big Lebowski. Didn't remember Stormare being in it. He was the nihlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 He was the nihlist. I guess at the time I was too busy emulating "The Dude" to remember. Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 When does the season start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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