A Few Thoughts About The Game, in no particular order.....

[PaattMaann]

Dude--- Doug Martin is at least 15 lbs heavier than CJ, and he's "all muscle".

 

I don't disagree that Spiller can and should be utilized more, but let's not pretend there aren't durability concerns with a back built like him.

 

thats why he is the Muscle Hamster...and he def has 15 pounds of straight muscle on CJ

 

Im just adding more evidence that not every RB has to be 6 foot 220 pounds to be elite....but yes, I realize CJ could have some durability concerns....that doesnt mean he WILL be an injury risk and certainly doesnt mean he cant carry this team

[Thurmal34]

What is your agenda? Do you think that Spiller will ever carry this team? How about other, better rbs such as Adrian Peterson? Those days are gone.

I have praised Spiller more often than not this season. He is playing well. But he will never carry this football team. If you disagree, please enlighten us.

Never mind.....I am thinking that you have oh so little to add.

 

Who will then, Bill?

 

He is clearly, far and away, without a doubt, the best football player on the Buffalo Bills roster. There is no disputing this fact, is there?

 

Why, in your opinion, will he never carry this this team?

[PaattMaann]

Who will then, Bill?

 

He is clearly, far and away, without a doubt, the best football player on the Buffalo Bills roster. There is no disputing this fact, is there?

 

Why, in your opinion, will he never carry this this team?

 

duh, cant you READ? : )

 

he cant carry the team because "hes too small" and "no one other than a QB can carry a team in todays NFL" - his words, not mine...

[bills44]

 

 

Dude--- Doug Martin is at least 15 lbs heavier than CJ, and he's "all muscle".

 

I don't disagree that Spiller can and should be utilized more, but let's not pretend there aren't durability concerns with a back built like him.

 

Isn't durability a concern with any RB?

[Frez]

Who will then, Bill?

 

He is clearly, far and away, without a doubt, the best football player on the Buffalo Bills roster. There is no disputing this fact, is there?

 

Why, in your opinion, will he never carry this this team?

 

Couldnt agree more....Spiller is the BEST player on this Bills roster. He needs the ball 20-25 times per game. What a waste he is backing up Fred Jackson.

[Thurmal34]

duh, cant you READ? : )

 

he cant carry the team because "hes too small" and "no one other than a QB can carry a team in todays NFL" - his words, not mine...

 

I hear ya. This mentality is mind numbing.

 

Hey, since it's a passing league, why not throw 23 passes vs 3 rushes in the second half while only down by one? After all, it's a passing league and our best player will never carry this team!

 

Edited November 5, 2012 by Thurmal34

[JohnC]

I agree with this post, with the qualifier that I'm not sure that any single player, exceptional QBs included, can carry a team.

 

Andrew Luck is a rookie qb. But he is an elite qb prospect that one finds once in a generation. Look at what he has accomplished this year with a rebuilding roster and then compare last year's Colts team with this years. He is the main reason that this team is uplifted.

 

Kurt Warner, the retired qb of the Cardinals, had a dramatic affect on the team when he played. They were a SB team when he played; when he retired the team became very mediocre. Ben Roethlisberger is an exceptional qb who is the main reason (not the sole reason) why the Steelers have been an upper echelon team during his starting reign.

[Thurmal34]

Couldnt agree more....Spiller is the BEST player on this Bills roster. He needs the ball 20-25 times per game. What a waste he is backing up Fred Jackson.

 

The fatal flaw in Bill's crusade against Spiller is, to your point, we have the PERFECT backup for him. Bill claims Spiller cant handle the load at his size.Fine, if that's his big sticking point, then Fred Jacson says hello..I mean dont we have the perfect guy to spell Spiller?

 

Andrew Luck is a rookie qb. But he is an elite qb prospect that one finds once in a generation. Look at what he has accomplished this year with a rebuilding roster and then compare last year's Colts team with this years. He is the main reason that this team is uplifted.

 

Kurt Warner, the retired qb of the Cardinals, had a dramatic affect on the team when he played. They were a SB team when he played; when he retired the team became very mediocre. Ben Roethlisberger is an exceptional qb who is the main reason (not the sole reason) why the Steelers have been an upper echelon team during his starting reign.

 

We dont have that player at QB. However, we do at RB. In fact, I would argue that Spiller is one of, if not the best players (yes I said players not just backs) in football and should be given the chance to affect the outcome of a game in the same way the above mentioned players are. At the very worst, he should be given more chances to affect the outcome than Ryan Fitzpatrick is given.

Edited November 5, 2012 by Thurmal34

[bills44]

I don't disagree Luck and Warner improved their teams considerably, but I think that Arizona kind of caught lightning in a bottle that post-season. They limped into the playoffs with a 9-7 record. Luck looks to be an elite QB, but it's too early to tell, IMO.

 

The Steelers are 4-1 with Batch and Dennis Dixon starting over the past few seasons. Roethlisberger is great, but he has a good supporting cast. It also helps that they're well coached.

 

 

[boyst]

Wow, a lot of delusional people here. We have two backs that are very good and we need to be thankful for that, but more importantly, at this point, neither of them can carry the entire load. The way I see it is our starting running back is CJ Jackson/Fred Spiller. Our backup RB is Tashard Choice.

 

CJ is a homerun threat every play he touches the ball, but that sounds better then it is. Every time you hit for the homerun you strike out just as much. For every run he busts for a large gain he can just as easily be lost in traffic to lose 5 yards or just gain 1 by falling forward. That is why Fred Jackson is on our roster and is the perfect tempo change up, a rock solid RB who puts the ball consistently 3-4 yards down field and comes out of the backfield in many plays.

 

If I had to have a RB around my team I would want Jackson. If I had to get an RB to build a team around it would be CJ, and a lot of that is his youth. However, we have a road grading OL, a smart QB, and a scheme that makes it beneficial to use a RB like Fred more then CJ. Fred is more well rounded and if we were a more committed running team like Minnesota or Tennessee I would be fine using CJ as our primary runner, but he'd need to rest, too.

 

I am just happy we have both of them and Choice, too.

 

Question for those who watched:

Did Shephard have a decent game? Good? What? It sounded on radio like he played pretty well today?

Edited November 5, 2012 by jboyst62

[bobblehead]

Walter Payton could block the s@it out of anyone.

[Bufcomments]

To the OP..

 

C.J. is the best player on the team. In fact this is why they drafted him, he can take it to the house on any play. They knew he had this much talent.

Time to give him the rock full time kid is explosive. If he gets hurt Fred and Choice are good players ...but you have to get him the ball I mean 20 times on the ground 5 or 6 times in the air.

 

What kills me is Chan wont make make the most out of what he has. I would have CJ and Fred on the field on 70 percent of the time. Chan's playcallin is very old school. Screens were made to work every now and then. But its a regular play in our offence every game. Teams are gonna take it away because we run it way to much.

 

Which brings me to Fitz, dude just cant throw deep. All his passes are short. Its way to easy to defend. We get TJ Graham and near send him deep???? if fitz cant make all the throws why is he our QB?

 

At this point I am willing to see what T. Jackson can do. I didnt watch todays game but its the same thing everytime we play somebody good we lose.

It not gonna change with Chan . If we lose next week it will be 4 games in a row. Miami is better than us because they got a QB. So it might be 5 in a row.

 

We seem to need a coaching change because our OC doesnt use his best player enough and seems to be loving Fitzcantthrowlong to much.

[jumbalaya]

When the defense needed to be aggressive they backed off. When the offense needed to be aggressive and throw down field Fitz' arm can't get it there. If you can't or won't throw 20 yards downfield the 0 and 2 yard passes will no longer work. Gailey's play calling is pathetic and Wanny's defense is god-awful.

 

I have never seen 4 defense lineman get in their stances and not move until the ball is snapped. You are not going to fool anyone when you are so vanilla. High school coaches do better game planning than this defense.

 

When Gailey got the ball to start the second half he called three straight pass plays, all incomplete. The game was lost then and there. YOU CANNOT PUT THE GAME INTO FITZ' HANDS, HE JUST DOESN'T HAVE IT. You have to establish the run and keep running.

[Thurmal34]

To the OP..

 

C.J. is the best player on the team. In fact this is why they drafted him, he can take it to the house on any play. They knew he had this much talent.

Time to give him the rock full time kid is explosive. If he gets hurt Fred and Choice are good players ...but you have to get him the ball I mean 20 times on the ground 5 or 6 times in the air.

 

What kills me is Chan wont make make the most out of what he has.

 

This is the issue. I don't think there is a Bills fan out there that thinks our passing game is better than our run game. So why do we continue to downplay the run and highlight the pass?

 

Please don't answer with "because it's a passing league". Just don't.

 

You have to establish the run and keep running.

 

Could not agree more. To take it a bit further (or farther, up yours grammar police), you have to run when the opposing D knows you are running and get the distance anyway. It seems like that's Chan Gump's biggest flaw. He isnt willing, on 3rd and 2, to simply line up in a run formation with his bruisers and dare them to stop it. He'd rather try to fool the other team. How's that been working out?

[Bufcomments]

This is the issue. I don't think there is a Bills fan out there that thinks our passing game is better than our run game. So why do we continue to downplay the run and highlight the pass?

 

Please don't answer with "because it's a passing league". Just don't.

This is why Chan should be let go. Even Fitz said get the rock to Spiller in his presser after the game.

 

Why do we continue to accept bad coaching in this organization?? If the press, fans and even players say CJ should be the main focus why do we let a guy coach this team when he doesnt even use his best weapon. We were down only by 14-9 in the 3rd but we come out and throw 3 straight passes leading to a 3 and out.

 

Its beyond stupid.

[SectionC3]

This is the issue. I don't think there is a Bills fan out there that thinks our passing game is better than our run game. So why do we continue to downplay the run and highlight the pass?

 

Please don't answer with "because it's a passing league". Just don't.

 

 

 

Could not agree more. To take it a bit further (or farther, up yours grammar police), you have to run when the opposing D knows you are running and get the distance anyway. It seems like that's Chan Gump's biggest flaw. He isnt willing, on 3rd and 2, to simply line up in a run formation with his bruisers and dare them to stop it. He'd rather try to fool the other team. How's that been working out?

 

I wish I could add this to my list of observations about today's game. I totally agree. I get that the circumstances are a little different in short yardage situations, but sometimes we overcomplicate the game. If we average 4 yards a carry, why on earth are we constantly throwing on third and short? I appreciate that the response will be, "because Spiller got knocked backward on third and one." I saw that too. In the demarcation of Spiller/Jackson touches, however, that's an instance where Fred gets the ball.

[FitzShowUsYourTitz]

The game has changed. QBs are able to carry teams more than rbs. And even back in the old days, how many small rbs were able to carry their team?

 

I pretty much agree. Problem is. Chan DRAFTED HIM IN THE FIRST ROUND. Damn. Not yelling at you but you cannot draft a guy there, have arguably the Best 1-2 punch in the game and then say.....well it's a passing league.

 

Yeah it is a passing league Chan. A league that has Passed You by!

Now say bye.

 

Please. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JohnC]

This is the issue. I don't think there is a Bills fan out there that thinks our passing game is better than our run game. So why do we continue to downplay the run and highlight the pass?

 

Please don't answer with "because it's a passing league". Just don't.

 

Teams recognize that the Bills can't throw the ball down the field so they jam the line of scrimmage. What it comes down to because the qb can't widen and lengthen the field with passes down the field the defense has the numbers advantage along the line and with the LBs. The defense is compressed to stop the run. The way to back the defense up is to throw some long passes and make some big plays. Our offense is incapable of accomplishing that.

 

Should Chan simply force more running plays even when the defensive alignment would call for a passing play? Perhaps. Maybe he could try bringing in another TE to help in the running game?

 

The Bills are a flawed team on both sides of the ball. It is like chess game where one side plays with more pieces. Our weaknesses are very evident to all teams. They are smart enough to not get cute and simply exploit what has already been exposed.

[Thurmal34]

I wish I could add this to my list of observations about today's game. I totally agree. I get that the circumstances are a little different in short yardage situations, but sometimes we overcomplicate the game. If we average 4 yards a carry, why on earth are we constantly throwing on third and short? I appreciate that the response will be, "because Spiller got knocked backward on third and one." I saw that too. In the demarcation of Spiller/Jackson touches, however, that's an instance where Fred gets the ball.

 

Yep, exactly. Fred is perfect in 3rd and 2 with 2 TEs and a FB. Who cares that the D knows what's coming? Get 3!!

 

For all of Thurman's amazing highlights, what made him truly great was his ability to get that unglamourous 3.2 yards on 3rd and 3 late in the third or early in the fourth.

 

We have thet type of team now. It's maddening that we dont use it.

[bills44]

 

 

Yep, exactly. Fred is perfect in 3rd and 2 with 2 TEs and a FB. Who cares that the D knows what's coming? Get 3!!

 

For all of Thurman's amazing highlights, what made him truly great was his ability to get that unglamourous 3.2 yards on 3rd and 3 late in the third or early in the fourth.

 

We have thet type of team now. It's maddening that we dont use it.

 

How big was Thurman?