filthymcnasty08 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Book is mind-blowing....easy read....and worth it. There is a ton of info in there that is not common knowledge about the Patriots "System" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBlueNorth Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I don't know if Kraft has something on the league, but there has certainly been a lot of odd favoritism when it comes to that organization. I still remember the "just give it to them" scandal. The infamous line from the refs at the NE game where our defense stopped a 4th down play well short of the marker and our players heard the officiating crew say those words and just gave them the spot to move the chains. We stopped them again and NE's only option left was a Hail Mary pass to the end zone. Our boys knocked that down in an 5-6 man scrum and we got an unfathomable pass interference on a Hail Mary in the end zone call putting NE on the 1 yard line. Wade, bless that son of a bum, marched the team off the field in protest, while NE lined up and took the points uncontested. I have never seen an NFL coach with the nads to pull what Wade did, but he was fined later by the league. All he did is call attention to the obvious turd of a fixed game and for having the audacity to say that "poop" stinks. Ralph actually stood behind Wade in his protest over the officiating. That offseason, the two key holdout owners against instant replay - Ralph Wilson and the owner of the Detroit Lions changed their vote in favor of instant replay and it was adopted. I have a theory that the Bills organizaton was punished for several years after that vote by officiating crews that felt the Buffalo Bills organization was the key ingredient in both questioning and taking away their ability to make many of their traditional judgement calls; A privelege that they had enjoyed and IMO taken advantage of for as long as the game had been around. I personally feel we took one for the league again and again until Gary Seeman stepped down as senior director of officiating in 2001. Coincidentally, that was the year after the Music City debacle and Ralph handing Wade Phillips his walking papers. It is all speculation, but I could see that Seeman hanging on till he was satisfied that the coach that called his officiating organization into quetion was fired, but that is conspiracy theory at best. Even today, I still feel there is too much leeway given to officials in regards to holding and PI calls. I really have a problem with those two calls particularly when the flag is thrown in late and they either negate a large gain and kill momentum, or place an opponent on the 1 yard line. Those calls could just too easily be used to sway the outcome of a game, or point spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Well, it's plainly obvious that since the league put an end to the Pats stealing the opposing defense's signals, Brady and company have struggled mightily when it comes to scoring points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Well, it's plainly obvious that since the league put an end to the Pats stealing the opposing defense's signals, Brady and company have struggled mightily when it comes to scoring points. No, they just moved on to some of their other alternatives, like the refereeing in last week's Bills game. Good to see that the check cleared this year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 No, they just moved on to some of their other alternatives, like the refereeing in last week's Bills game. Good to see that the check cleared this year.... Of course, it's all fixed. Why even bother to watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 you dont need no damn book to tell you how huge that was. its utterly amazing to me how people dramatically underestimate how big of an advantage that was. you give me tapes of the opponents signals and i will hire an encryption expert (or a team of them) to parse everything so that even if the opponent makes some changes to try to disguise their signals (they CANT change the whole system just a few keys) i can get you the translation by halftime. that means every game you have at least the second half of knowing what the defense is calling every play! oh yeah no thats not a big deal. sure let the cheatriots have their titles without any asterisks. nothing to see here. move along. dont look behind the curtain. un frikkin beleedabo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Goodell Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I read it. It's just a bunch of sensationalized half-truths. He's just trying to sell books, don't be fooled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 you dont need no damn book to tell you how huge that was. its utterly amazing to me how people dramatically underestimate how big of an advantage that was. you give me tapes of the opponents signals and i will hire an encryption expert (or a team of them) to parse everything so that even if the opponent makes some changes to try to disguise their signals (they CANT change the whole system just a few keys) i can get you the translation by halftime. that means every game you have at least the second half of knowing what the defense is calling every play! oh yeah no thats not a big deal. sure let the cheatriots have their titles without any asterisks. nothing to see here. move along. dont look behind the curtain. un frikkin beleedabo I think the point is that not having the tapes of opposing defense hasn't hurt the Pats offense any. Unless, of course, the conspiracy theory now is that the Pats are still getting the defensive signals, only they are now stealing them from a farther distance, like everyone else does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I read it. It's just a bunch of sensationalized half-truths. He's just trying to sell books, don't be fooled. That's funny Rog!!! :worthy: :worthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) oh yeah because a much older and mature qb is good now means there was no advantage years ago when the team was just emerging yeah no that makes perfect sense see its that kind of utterly nonsensical retardation thinking that lets the cheaters get away the the awful behavior they committed. i swear there is something wrong with our culture when huge swaths of people think this way. its like hero worship fueled stupidity Edited November 19, 2012 by Meathead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 The killer for me is that the NFL immediately destroyed all the evidence. Why would they need to destroy it at all, much less immediately?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Of course, it's all fixed. Why even bother to watch? the all encompassing blanket statement, love it. Soooo, you really think that all is equal in the way pats games are called? Im not in the conspiracy against the bill group, but come on. Nobody even slightly implied the games are fixed. Just that their is a double standard in the NFL. Ask Charles Woodson if he thinks Tom B has zebra striped angel on his shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joaquin1119 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) people all this was in the past. Yes its mess up what the pats did. but that was couple years ago.. let's just move on and just get over it.. I don't know why so many people still talk about it.. Edited November 19, 2012 by mentalsick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Front Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I have never seen an offensive line get away with the amount of holding that the Pats get away with. Poor Matt Cassell. I'd like to know what he thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tu-Toned Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I just want to know what dirt Kraft has on goddell. They showed Henry Kissinger sitting in Krafts box yesterday, that's enough to make me believe a conspiracy. Man I thought that guy was dead long ago, although he really didn't seem to be moving at all up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Goodell Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 The killer for me is that the NFL immediately destroyed all the evidence. Why would they need to destroy it at all, much less immediately?? You wouldn't believe how little storage space we have at 345 Park Ave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimtoga Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 The Pats had the lowest attendance level in the entire NFL in 1994, a huge market that they weren't reaping the benefits from. Now you can't get a ticket to the Pats, of course they covered it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I don't know if Kraft has something on the league, but there has certainly been a lot of odd favoritism when it comes to that organization. I still remember the "just give it to them" scandal. The infamous line from the refs at the NE game where our defense stopped a 4th down play well short of the marker and our players heard the officiating crew say those words and just gave them the spot to move the chains. We stopped them again and NE's only option left was a Hail Mary pass to the end zone. Our boys knocked that down in an 5-6 man scrum and we got an unfathomable pass interference on a Hail Mary in the end zone call putting NE on the 1 yard line. Wade, bless that son of a bum, marched the team off the field in protest, while NE lined up and took the points uncontested. I have never seen an NFL coach with the nads to pull what Wade did, but he was fined later by the league. All he did is call attention to the obvious turd of a fixed game and for having the audacity to say that "poop" stinks. Ralph actually stood behind Wade in his protest over the officiating. That offseason, the two key holdout owners against instant replay - Ralph Wilson and the owner of the Detroit Lions changed their vote in favor of instant replay and it was adopted. I have a theory that the Bills organizaton was punished for several years after that vote by officiating crews that felt the Buffalo Bills organization was the key ingredient in both questioning and taking away their ability to make many of their traditional judgement calls; A privelege that they had enjoyed and IMO taken advantage of for as long as the game had been around. I personally feel we took one for the league again and again until Gary Seeman stepped down as senior director of officiating in 2001. Coincidentally, that was the year after the Music City debacle and Ralph handing Wade Phillips his walking papers. It is all speculation, but I could see that Seeman hanging on till he was satisfied that the coach that called his officiating organization into quetion was fired, but that is conspiracy theory at best. Even today, I still feel there is too much leeway given to officials in regards to holding and PI calls. I really have a problem with those two calls particularly when the flag is thrown in late and they either negate a large gain and kill momentum, or place an opponent on the 1 yard line. Those calls could just too easily be used to sway the outcome of a game, or point spread. And Ralph was fined, too. And his response to the fine was absolutely epic, if anyone can find the link (I can't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tu-Toned Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I don't know if Kraft has something on the league, but there has certainly been a lot of odd favoritism when it comes to that organization. I still remember the "just give it to them" scandal. The infamous line from the refs at the NE game where our defense stopped a 4th down play well short of the marker and our players heard the officiating crew say those words and just gave them the spot to move the chains. We stopped them again and NE's only option left was a Hail Mary pass to the end zone. Our boys knocked that down in an 5-6 man scrum and we got an unfathomable pass interference on a Hail Mary in the end zone call putting NE on the 1 yard line. Wade, bless that son of a bum, marched the team off the field in protest, while NE lined up and took the points uncontested. I have never seen an NFL coach with the nads to pull what Wade did, but he was fined later by the league. All he did is call attention to the obvious turd of a fixed game and for having the audacity to say that "poop" stinks. Ralph actually stood behind Wade in his protest over the officiating. That offseason, the two key holdout owners against instant replay - Ralph Wilson and the owner of the Detroit Lions changed their vote in favor of instant replay and it was adopted. I have a theory that the Bills organizaton was punished for several years after that vote by officiating crews that felt the Buffalo Bills organization was the key ingredient in both questioning and taking away their ability to make many of their traditional judgement calls; A privelege that they had enjoyed and IMO taken advantage of for as long as the game had been around. I personally feel we took one for the league again and again until Gary Seeman stepped down as senior director of officiating in 2001. Coincidentally, that was the year after the Music City debacle and Ralph handing Wade Phillips his walking papers. It is all speculation, but I could see that Seeman hanging on till he was satisfied that the coach that called his officiating organization into quetion was fired, but that is conspiracy theory at best. Even today, I still feel there is too much leeway given to officials in regards to holding and PI calls. I really have a problem with those two calls particularly when the flag is thrown in late and they either negate a large gain and kill momentum, or place an opponent on the 1 yard line. Those calls could just too easily be used to sway the outcome of a game, or point spread. It wasn't just our players, it was audibly recorded, I remeber them playing it back a few years later, clear as day.BTW, there was nothing, from my memory, that was scandalous, nobody even paid that much attention to it outside of Buffalo, that's how low we rate. I didn't rememeber Wade doing what you said, but I am sure he did, and that's awsome that he did. Yes, this is one the NFL's methods of subtle manipulation, and it isn't too subtle anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 You wouldn't believe how little storage space we have at 345 Park Ave. It wasn't just our players, it was audibly recorded, I remeber them playing it back a few years later, clear as day.BTW, there was nothing, from my memory, that was scandalous, nobody even paid that much attention to it outside of Buffalo, that's how low we rate. I didn't rememeber Wade doing what you said, but I am sure he did, and that's awsome that he did. Yes, this is one the NFL's methods of subtle manipulation, and it isn't too subtle anymore! That year the Bills were very relevant because of Doug Flutie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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