MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 (edited) BTW, IM NOT A CHRISTIAN... "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." Matthew 7:13 "If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered." -Proverbs 21:13 "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy." -Proverbs 31:8-9 "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." -Matthew 6:24 "Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'" -Matthew 19:23-24 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'" -Matthew 25:41-45 "He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished." -Proverbs 17:5 "He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty." -Proverbs 22:16 "Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'" -Matthew 19:21 "He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses." -Proverbs 28:27 "People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." -1 Timothy 6:9-10 "Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life." -1 Timothy 6:17-19 "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." -Ezekiel 16:49 "Rich and poor have this in common: The LORD is the Maker of them all." -Proverbs 22:2 "He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God." -Proverbs 14:31 "A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor." -Proverbs 22:9 "Better a poor man whose walk is blameless than a rich man whose ways are perverse." -Proverbs 28:6 "A faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished." -Proverbs 28:20 "The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern." -Proverbs 29:7 "Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death." -Proverbs 11:4 "Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them." -Proverbs 22:22-23 "Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint. Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle." -Proverbs 23:4-5 "Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless." -Ecclesiastes 5:10 "A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold." -Proverbs 22:1 "There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land." -Deuteronomy 15:11 "Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have." -Hebrews 13:5 "You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the Lord is their refuge." -Psalm 14:6 "He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done." -Proverbs 19:17 "A rich man may be wise in his own eyes, but a poor man who has discernment sees through him." -Proverbs 28:11 "A fortune made by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare." -Proverbs 21:6 "The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall." -Proverbs 18:11 :blink: :wallbash: Edited May 25, 2012 by MARCELL DAREUS POWER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 "Thou shalt not be a turd bugler on the internet" -Beavis, Number 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisconsin Bills Fan Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I missed the verse about food stamps, welfare checks, section 8, and getting more taxpayer $ for every bastard child you have. Guess I better skim through my bible tonite before bed, it's got to be in there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 You're an idiot. And a !@#$ing moron. Shut the !@#$ up, dipshit. - DC Tom, 1:1-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 You're an idiot. And a !@#$ing moron. Shut the !@#$ up, dipshit. - DC Tom, 1:1-3 Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 You're an idiot. And a !@#$ing moron. Shut the !@#$ up, dipshit. - DC Tom, 1:1-3 Pretty sure he's proving that you are, with your every response. Moran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I missed the verse about food stamps, welfare checks, section 8, and getting more taxpayer $ for every bastard child you have. Guess I better skim through my bible tonite before bed, it's got to be in there somewhere. "Render unto Caeser what is Caeser's, so he can render unto the poor what is rightfully theirs." - Occupy Appia Via, 3:12-13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." Matthew 7:13 "If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered." -Proverbs 21:13 "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy." -Proverbs 31:8-9 "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." -Matthew 6:24 "Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'" -Matthew 19:23-24 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'" -Matthew 25:41-45 "He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished." -Proverbs 17:5 "He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty." -Proverbs 22:16 "Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'" -Matthew 19:21 "He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses." -Proverbs 28:27 "People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." -1 Timothy 6:9-10 "Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life." -1 Timothy 6:17-19 "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." -Ezekiel 16:49 "Rich and poor have this in common: The LORD is the Maker of them all." -Proverbs 22:2 "He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God." -Proverbs 14:31 "A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor." -Proverbs 22:9 "Better a poor man whose walk is blameless than a rich man whose ways are perverse." -Proverbs 28:6 "A faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished." -Proverbs 28:20 "The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern." -Proverbs 29:7 "Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death." -Proverbs 11:4 "Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them." -Proverbs 22:22-23 "Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint. Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle." -Proverbs 23:4-5 "Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless." -Ecclesiastes 5:10 "A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold." -Proverbs 22:1 "There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land." -Deuteronomy 15:11 "Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have." -Hebrews 13:5 "You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the Lord is their refuge." -Psalm 14:6 "He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done." -Proverbs 19:17 "A rich man may be wise in his own eyes, but a poor man who has discernment sees through him." -Proverbs 28:11 "A fortune made by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare." -Proverbs 21:6 "The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall." -Proverbs 18:11 :blink: :wallbash: even more difficult to comprehend that so many in this group staunchly defend a literal interpretation of the bible even when scholarship and history show that to be clearly not intended. do they find these passages to be apocryphal or just ignore them? sadly, certain christian groups and current times are not unique in this selective interpretation of religious works. 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DC Tom Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 even more difficult to comprehend that so many in this group staunchly defend a literal interpretation of the bible even when scholarship and history show that to be clearly not intended. do they find these passages to be apocryphal or just ignore them? sadly, certain christian groups and current times are not unique in this selective interpretation of religious works. What? We have maybe three devout Christians here who would defend a staunchly literal interpretation of the Bible. What board are you reading? Pretty sure he's proving that you are, with your every response. Moran. You have your hobbies, And I have mine. So piss off. - DC Tom, 2:6-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 What? We have maybe three devout Christians here who would defend a staunchly literal interpretation of the Bible. What board are you reading? - DC Tom, 2:6-8. the op was addressing the christian right...one would never confuse most here with them. unfortunately, many of them share the same politics when it comes to voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 the op was addressing the christian right...one would never confuse most here with them. unfortunately, many of them share the same politics when it comes to voting. The original poster has the mental acuity of a drunken mosquito and thought he was addressing everyone on this board who believes in the concept of "ownership". It's a perfectly natural interpretation of your response to believe that your statement of "this group" referred to the posters here, given that you were responding to the original poster, and that you have the mental acuity of a slightly more sober mosquito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 You have your hobbies, And I have mine. So piss off. - DC Tom, 2:6-8. Can you restrain yourself to beating on the real posters? Not just people here making up positions for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 What? We have maybe three devout Christians here who would defend a staunchly literal interpretation of the Bible. What board are you reading? You have your hobbies, And I have mine. So piss off. - DC Tom, 2:6-8. Verily do I enter into religious discussions. While I'm not Frenkle, I think that MDP's views should be considered. A fundamentalist Christian state should be considered along with an Islamic state. Let's put it to a vote. In all seriousness, in MDP we've found the fourth devout Christian that is a staunch fundamentalist. My question to the moderators, is do we need a fourth? I'm not one to want to ban anyone, but the War and Peace length posts are a little ridiculous. Maybe a gentle hint to tone it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 The original poster has the mental acuity of a drunken mosquito and thought he was addressing everyone on this board who believes in the concept of "ownership". It's a perfectly natural interpretation of your response to believe that your statement of "this group" referred to the posters here, given that you were responding to the original poster, and that you have the mental acuity of a slightly more sober mosquito. "perfectly natural" for you, in no way implies " the natural order of things" which i don't think you'd recognize if it fell out of a tree onto your head. Verily do I enter into religious discussions. While I'm not Frenkle, I think that MDP's views should be considered. A fundamentalist Christian state should be considered along with an Islamic state. Let's put it to a vote. In all seriousness, in MDP we've found the fourth devout Christian that is a staunch fundamentalist. My question to the moderators, is do we need a fourth? I'm not one to want to ban anyone, but the War and Peace length posts are a little ridiculous. Maybe a gentle hint to tone it down? you somehow find this offensive yet post homoerotic imagery on a semi- regular basis? haven't heard you call out loudly for censure of racist posters, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 (edited) Can you restrain yourself to beating on the real posters? Not just people here making up positions for fun. Trolls need beatings too. you somehow find this offensive yet post homoerotic imagery on a semi- regular basis? That's a rather inaccurate accusation. "Semi-" regular? haven't heard you call out loudly for censure of racist posters, either. I, for one, do not support this. I like my racists out in the open, in full view, so I know to avoid them. Edited May 25, 2012 by DC Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 "God Helps Those Who Help Themselves" - Algernon Sydney, 1698 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjl2nd Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 This thread is bad. The difference with Helping the poor comes down to one side believing charity or private establishments giving help or the government/state should help. I think both should exist. We have to help/support the poor in some form. Medicaid, Food Stamp programs, and some welfare programs are good but clearly are being abused and need some reform. I hate the idea of just getting rid of the programs in whole. Actually I don't even take people serious when they say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 This thread is bad. The difference with Helping the poor comes down to one side believing charity or private establishments giving help or the government/state should help. I think both should exist. We have to help/support the poor in some form. Medicaid, Food Stamp programs, and some welfare programs are good but clearly are being abused and need some reform. I hate the idea of just getting rid of the programs in whole. Actually I don't even take people serious when they say that. What about simply a negative income tax rate ala Friedman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 This thread is bad. The difference with Helping the poor comes down to one side believing charity or private establishments giving help or the government/state should help. I think both should exist. We have to help/support the poor in some form. Medicaid, Food Stamp programs, and some welfare programs are good but clearly are being abused and need some reform. I hate the idea of just getting rid of the programs in whole. Actually I don't even take people serious when they say that. I'd generally agree...except for Medicaid. That program's such a bureaucratic morass that putting a metaphorical bullet through its metaphorical skull would be a distinct improvement. The complete cancellation of that program would ironically improve the quality of care provided under said program. Mostly, I'm just against open-ended social programs, under the logic that it "feels good". I've no problem with government programs that help those in need or who've fallen on hard times to get out of need to back into good times. But I'm not particularly keen on programs that disincentivize personal effort and responsibility. At the risk of over-simplification: it's the difference between helping my niece with her homework, and doing it for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted May 25, 2012 Author Share Posted May 25, 2012 I'd generally agree...except for Medicaid. That program's such a bureaucratic morass that putting a metaphorical bullet through its metaphorical skull would be a distinct improvement. The complete cancellation of that program would ironically improve the quality of care provided under said program. Mostly, I'm just against open-ended social programs, under the logic that it "feels good". I've no problem with government programs that help those in need or who've fallen on hard times to get out of need to back into good times. But I'm not particularly keen on programs that disincentivize personal effort and responsibility. At the risk of over-simplification: it's the difference between helping my niece with her homework, and doing it for her. :sick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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