CSBill Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 One thing these play-off's have shown, if you want to win, you need a pass rush - you need to put preasure on the QB! Somehow, someway, make him nervous. This is the number one priority of the Bills this off-seaon, figure out a way to create pressure: through the draft, change defense, key free agents, all of the above, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 You beat the pats (and NO, GB...) but out shooting them in a shootout. Go offense. Agreed. Once in a while, you may lure those teams into a defensive battle, but the truth is, they can easily score 30+ on you no matter how good your defense is. If you go into it thinking you're going to beat NE, GB, or the Saints by holding them under 20 with your stellar defense, you've already lost. Every team in this division has had at least a couple of very good defensive seasons since the Pats started winning in 2001; even the Bills were ranked 2nd in the league in 2003 and 2004. Where have the Bills, Jets and Dolphins gotten with that model? Usually, 6-9 wins and a beating from the Pats when it counted late in the year. The only way you're going to beat the Pats consistently and knock them off the top of this division is to beat them at their own game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) A wild rant but from JohnnyGold but I'm with you JG. Despite having a "genius coach" and the. "best QB ever" the Pats haven't been to the SB in years. Stop thinking they are gods and build a pass rush. The Giants SB win proved the omnipotent Brady looked pretty average on his *ss. Edited January 15, 2012 by Green Lightning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 After what I saw last night, its gonna be a long time before the Bills with the AFC East again The Bills beat the Patriots this year and beat the the Broncos just as badly 40-14. Whats your point? Agreed. Once in a while, you may lure those teams into a defensive battle, but the truth is, they can easily score 30+ on you no matter how good your defense is. If you go into it thinking you're going to beat NE, GB, or the Saints by holding them under 20 with your stellar defense, you've already lost. Every team in this division has had at least a couple of very good defensive seasons since the Pats started winning in 2001; even the Bills were ranked 2nd in the league in 2003 and 2004. Where have the Bills, Jets and Dolphins gotten with that model? Usually, 6-9 wins and a beating from the Pats when it counted late in the year. The only way you're going to beat the Pats consistently and knock them off the top of this division is to beat them at their own game. WRONG!!!! Last Year the Jets beat them with Defense, two years ago the Ravens did it with Rice and the Defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 WRONG!!!! Last Year the Jets beat them with Defense, two years ago the Ravens did it with Rice and the Defense. Note the word 'usually'. The Pats aren't going to beat everyone every single time. You may beat them occasionally, but you won't do it consistently. The division records and the division championships the Pats have won in the last 10 years are proof enough. While the rest of the division spins its wheels trying to build a defense that can shut the Pats down, the Pats are beating them much more often than not on their way to 12 wins or so on average for the last decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Build a Defense like the 2007 Giants that sacked the crap out of Brady in the Superbowl. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball'n Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Couldn't one then male an argument that the defense that gave up the most points lost instead of the offense that scored the most points? Just saying. If your point is at the end it came down to the offenses needing to score then you could just say if you had a sick defense good enough to stop the offense you win. Point was stated in this thread that it takes a whole TEAM, Offense, Defense, and Special Teams a full 60 minutes to win games. Obviously with a Tom Brady, Payton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers type QB you cam overcome that but it's not always the case. Those QBs are arguably all HOFers. The 49ers defense is not even close to being considered one of the best of all time. Or even this year for that matter. Yet they stopped Brees. Oh yeah, the other thing is this, even though you might have a HOF type QB, that still doesn't ensure that your RBs, and WRs get tjier jobs done and hang onto the ball. Turnovers lost the game for the Saints today and it wasn't Brees. It was the other offensive playmakers. Or maybe it was the 49ers defense that caused it. There's no rhyme or reason to it. There's no chicken or the egg debate. You need an all around good team and you need to play mistake free at tuis point in the season/post season to win. Yes, one can make that argument. However, it seems to be that the to offenses put up points against anyone, regardless of how good the D is. I completely agree that it is about the overall team, and truth is a team built in ANY fashion can win. With that said, it's clear that there is a slight advantage to building a team around the passing offense and pass rush on defense compared to other strategies. Like you said though, any type of team can win as its about how good the overall team is. I'm not saying anything about the chicken or the egg, just what has the greatest advantage in the current NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 current nfl rules favor the passing game so much that you only need one top level player on the entire team - the qb. indy, gb, no, and the cheaters have been proving that for the last decade its kinda silly. no other sport rewards one position the way the nfl does the qb. i wish they would do something about it to put more emphasis on the other 21 positions. until they do its pretty much a ninety percent proposition that if you have an elite qb you go deep in the playoffs and if you dont youre **** out of luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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