ARMchairgm Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 If this team is gonna spend money on a FA, it damn well be a very good pass rusher of the edge. When Wanny took over the D, like it or not, this team became a 4-3. Edwards, Carrington, Heard, Troup, and Johnson are all DTs in a 4-3, as are Williams and Dareus. The Bills aint carryong 7 DTs. And, they only have one 4-3 end on their roster. They need pass rushers on both edges... period. Whether one is a LB and the other a DE doesn't matter. Kelsay will be at one end and between the draft and FA, the Bills are gonna need at least 2 more 4-3 DEs (these will be speed guys in the 260-270 lb. range) and at least 2 or 3 4-3 OLBs (we're talking 225 - 240 lbs.). So, even if the Bills stayed 3-4 with 7 DL @ >300 lbs, how Okoye being about 295 lbs. and only having played DT and NT would make any sense, it's beyond me. pass rushers up the middle are important as well. Edwards heard troup and johnson are all awful, Okoye would easily be our 3 best dt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 pass rushers up the middle are important as well. Edwards heard troup and johnson are all awful, Okoye would easily be our 3 best dt. Maybe, but all we have for 4-3 DEs is Kelsey maybe Batten and Moats. That ain't gonna get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStranger76 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Shaun Ellis was 6'3 285 for the Jets in a 4-3 for years and was very solid. Even in a 4-3 the LE is often a bigger, stouter end. I believe Carrington could be that type of player: solid against the run but could provide 8-12 sacks per year now that he has some NFL experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris in Syracuse Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 dt in 4-3 end in 3-4 We have plenty of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Carrington is a DE in a 3-4, a 5 technique if you will. He's a DT in a 4-3. Even if he "slims down" to 285, he's still 20+ pounds heavier than a 4-3 DE. Short story, we have enough good DTs if in fact Wanny goes 4-3. We need some speed h DEs in the 260 range. Think Freeney. I agree to a point, he is no RDE, but at 285 the left side might be a great fit for him. I would prefer him there over Kelsey when it comes to playing the run. Using him as an OLB still blows my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMchairgm Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 We have plenty of those. garbage ones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Shaun Ellis was 6'3 285 for the Jets in a 4-3 for years and was very solid. Even in a 4-3 the LE is often a bigger, stouter end. I believe Carrington could be that type of player: solid against the run but could provide 8-12 sacks per year now that he has some NFL experience. I think you are right though at LE he would probably get 4-5 sacks per year and I'd be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I agree to a point, he is no RDE, but at 285 the left side might be a great fit for him. I would prefer him there over Kelsey when it comes to playing the run. Using him as an OLB still blows my mind. Good point. I think Carrington does have it in him and maybe a LDE in a 4-3 is a fit. I would be concerned about lateral speed, but he's young and strong with long arms. Let's see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I think the Bills could build a 4-3 dline much like Cincinnati who had 45 sacks but didn't have a player over 8 sacks. While Cincinnati doesn't have a star DE their DEs are large and pretty athletic and they platoon them and it wears down the Oline after a while. platoon 1 Carrington, Williams, Dareus, Merriman Platoon 2 Gilbert, Heard, Troup, Kelsay other Bills: SPENCER JOHNSON, DWAN EDWARDS, Jay Ross, KYLE MOORE, LIONEL DOTSON free agents: DL:Big money and probably will be resigned - Mario Williams, Calais Campbell, Cliff Avril moderate money and a chance- Jamaal Anderson,Jeremy Mincey,Dave Tollefson,Amobi Okoye Draft: tier 1 Quinton Coples,Whitney Mercilus, Melvin Ingram, Nick Perry tier 2 Andre Branch, Cam Johnson, Chandler Jones, Vinny Curry make up your best 9 for the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Carrington is a DE in a 3-4, a 5 technique if you will. He's a DT in a 4-3. Even if he "slims down" to 285, he's still 20+ pounds heavier than a 4-3 DE. Short story, we have enough good DTs if in fact Wanny goes 4-3. We need some speed h DEs in the 260 range. Think Freeney. Yeah - this OP confuses me to heck. I guess the assumption is Williams returns to NT so Okoye is replacing Edwards?? We need to sign another DT??? Because Kyle Williams and Marcell Dareus are the weak point of the team??? If we go 4-3, we have among the top DT combos in the league. If we stay 3-4, we should get an actual NT so Williams and Dareus can both play DE. We need 4-3 DE's or 3-4 OLB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 If we felt the urge to make a run at a FA defensive lineman, I believe Calais Campbell is a FA this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMchairgm Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Yeah - this OP confuses me to heck. I guess the assumption is Williams returns to NT so Okoye is replacing Edwards?? We need to sign another DT??? Because Kyle Williams and Marcell Dareus are the weak point of the team??? If we go 4-3, we have among the top DT combos in the league. If we stay 3-4, we should get an actual NT so Williams and Dareus can both play DE. We need 4-3 DE's or 3-4 OLB's. u high? there is no depth behind them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) u high? there is no depth behind them That is a major problem. The drop off currently from subbing either one of those guys out is immense. Edited January 14, 2012 by RealityCheck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Carrington is a DE in a 3-4, a 5 technique if you will. He's a DT in a 4-3. Even if he "slims down" to 285, he's still 20+ pounds heavier than a 4-3 DE. Short story, we have enough good DTs if in fact Wanny goes 4-3. We need some speed h DEs in the 260 range. Think Freeney. You are thinking Tampa 2 scheme. That is so not what I would want as far as 4-3 schemes. The Bills and the lucky charms have been too small and easily pushed around since they started employing that scheme. The Bills leaving that scheme was the best thing for them as it failed to stop the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Carrington played DE in a 4-3 in college. Keep in mind that it's common for 4-3 teams to have bigger DEs like Carrington or Dwan Edwards who either move inside to DT or come off the field entirely on passing downs. (Good example: Justin Tuck) It's also common for all teams to have OLBs who are good pass rushers play DE in a 4-man line on passing downs. As for Okoye, I dunno. He's still plenty young, but I feel like if he was going to break out anywhere, it would be in the Tampa-2 Under that Lovie Smith runs with the Bears. He seems like a natural fit for that Warren Sapp/Tommie Harris role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 My link Eh' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I was pushing for us to sign him when he came out. Love to see him as a Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 If this team is gonna spend money on a FA, it damn well be a very good pass rusher of the edge. When Wanny took over the D, like it or not, this team became a 4-3. Edwards, Carrington, Heard, Troup, and Johnson are all DTs in a 4-3, as are Williams and Dareus. The Bills aint carryong 7 DTs. And, they only have one 4-3 end on their roster. They need pass rushers on both edges... period. Whether one is a LB and the other a DE doesn't matter. Kelsay will be at one end and between the draft and FA, the Bills are gonna need at least 2 more 4-3 DEs (these will be speed guys in the 260-270 lb. range) and at least 2 or 3 4-3 OLBs (we're talking 225 - 240 lbs.). So, even if the Bills stayed 3-4 with 7 DL @ >300 lbs, how Okoye being about 295 lbs. and only having played DT and NT would make any sense, it's beyond me. Edwards and Carrington are 4-3 DE's not DT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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