PromoTheRobot Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 (edited) Let's see. The next player taken was Tyson Alualu. He's started 15 games at DT and been very solid. 35 tackles and 3.5 sacks. Pretty darn good for a rookie DT, but then the Bills probably couldn't have used a guy to help clog the middle. http://www.nfl.com/players/tysonalualu/situationalstats?id=ALU059326 Ever hear of Kyle Williams or Torrell Troup? The Jaguars had only 14 sacks last season and that's why they focused on defensive linemen and pass rushers in this draft. However, they should have traded down to get Cal's Tyson Alualu instead of picking him with the 10th overall selection. Maybe the 49ers would have made that trade for their 17th overall pick? The draft consensus is that Alualu ranked between 25 and 40 on the majority of team's draft boards. The Jaguars must be faulted for not knowing the value of their first pick. Obviously the media wasn't very impressed with Alualu as a #10 pick. Maybe, just maybe, it's a lot easier to tell who is going to be great AFTER the draft? PTR Edited December 29, 2010 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Or Bulaga or Anthony Davis, both of whom have developed into very good right tackles already. Yes, there are many other rookies that have made more of a contribution than Spiller. I was just trying to illustrate that the challenge wasn't one by simply looking no further than the very next guy drafted. Ever hear of Kyle Williams of Torrell Troup? Obviously the media wasn't very impressed with Alualu as a #10 pick. Maybe, just maybe, it's a lot easier to tell who is going to be great AFTER the draft? Misfiring again, Robo. None of that has any bearing on Alualu being a more productive player this year. (BTW, that doesn't mean he is the better pick or that Spiller won't be good down the road.) PS: Thank you, btw. The fact the Jaguars got more production out of a "reach" than the Bills did out of Spiller actually serves to undermine defense of the Spiller pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkc Posted December 29, 2010 Author Share Posted December 29, 2010 Ever hear of Kyle Williams of Torrell Troup? PTR Just wondering why so many think every player fits every system good example to start with is Vilma , disaster in a 3/4 perfect for a 4/3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Just wondering why so many think every player fits every system good example to start with is Vilma , disaster in a 3/4 perfect for a 4/3 Oh boy. Like Williams is a perfect fit for the 3-4 and the 3-4 was a perfect fit for the talent that Jauron left behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 No one really called Spiller a reach at #9. either. Prior years you could make the arguement that both the Maybin and Whitner was reaches at where they were picked. Really couldn't say that this year. Did he work out as well as a typical #9 pick should? No, but lets see how he looks next year. He did show spots where he looked like a #9 pick, just not enough of them. again anyone taking shots at the Spiller pick has to give a realistic name on who you wold have drafted at number 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Ever hear of Kyle Williams or Torrell Troup? Obviously the media wasn't very impressed with Alualu as a #10 pick. Maybe, just maybe, it's a lot easier to tell who is going to be great AFTER the draft? PTR The Bills could have traded down rather than take Spiller with the #8 pick yet they decided that taking the 'BPA' was the right move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkc Posted December 29, 2010 Author Share Posted December 29, 2010 Oh boy. Like Williams is a perfect fit for the 3-4 and the 3-4 was a perfect fit for the talent that Jauron left behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 The Bills could have traded down Really? What were the offers? I think you mean they "might have been able to trade down." Or, "could have traded down if they would accept a bad deal." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 The Bills could have traded down rather than take Spiller with the #8 pick yet they decided that taking the 'BPA' was the right move. They could have done a lot of things. They could have traded the #9 pick for a stick of gum. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Gun Special Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 No one really called Spiller a reach at #9. either. Prior years you could make the arguement that both the Maybin and Whitner was reaches at where they were picked. Really couldn't say that this year. Did he work out as well as a typical #9 pick should? No, but lets see how he looks next year. He did show spots where he looked like a #9 pick, just not enough of them. Thats my point, he was the best player on the board by many accounts. I dont recall there being a player of equal caliber in a position of need being available, hence the CJ pick. Many very successful teams (Pats, Colts) follow this philosophy. The Bills could have traded down rather than take Spiller with the #8 pick yet they decided that taking the 'BPA' was the right move. That pick had trade partners, its very difficult to trade a top 10 pick, esp for more picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 They could have done a lot of things. They could have traded the #9 pick for a stick of gum. PTR What brand? Trident Layers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkc Posted December 29, 2010 Author Share Posted December 29, 2010 (edited) No one really called Spiller a reach at #9. either. Prior years you could make the arguement that both the Maybin and Whitner was reaches at where they were picked. Really couldn't say that this year. Did he work out as well as a typical #9 pick should? No, but lets see how he looks next year. He did show spots where he looked like a #9 pick, just not enough of them. Agreed Whitner was considered a major reach , but dickie j wanted a safety , the whole fan base wanted the N.t Edited December 29, 2010 by bkc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 That pick had trade partners, its very difficult to trade a top 10 pick, esp for more picks Every trade up involves a trade down...they happen all the time. Wasn't there a trade last draft within a couple picks of #8? Isn't Nix on record as saying he does not do draft day trades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Really? What were the offers? I think you mean they "might have been able to trade down." Or, "could have traded down if they would accept a bad deal." Well, you know that it took the Bills 10-15 seconds for the sprinter to deliver their pick up to the podium of course, so how many phone calls do you think they took before writing Spiller's name on the card and handing it to the runner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Or Bulaga or Anthony Davis, both of whom have developed into very good right tackles already. I would love to have seen this board if they drafted a right tackle at #9. We're talking core meltdown. I am not saying I think it's a bad idea, and if they had to take Carimi at #9 and he projected at RT, I'd be totally fine with it presuming he provided a big boost to the run game. If you get a very good player, it really doesn't matter where he is projected or where the idiot talking heads say he should go. If you looked at Andre Reed's NFL stats and told me this was a guy who was drafted in the top 5/was top 5 talent, I wouldn't know the better and I'd say that his production lined up with that slot. That draft produced some great and very good ones, but surely Andre's career was one of the very best out of that class. That they got him in the fourth is a sign of the kind of deep drafting that you hope this team will continue to embrace in the future. Moats looks like he could be another pick like that, though I won't be voting him to the Pro Bowl yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 They could have done a lot of things. They could have traded the #9 pick for a stick of gum. PTR But they rather than a lot of things they took the 'BPA'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkc Posted December 29, 2010 Author Share Posted December 29, 2010 Thats my point, he was the best player on the board by many accounts. I dont recall there being a player of equal caliber in a position of need being available, hence the CJ pick. Many very successful teams (Pats, Colts) follow this philosophy. That pick had trade partners, its very difficult to trade a top 10 pick, esp for more picks yep ,not to many teams trading into the top 10 unless they are chasing a qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Well, you know that it took the Bills 10-15 seconds for the sprinter to deliver their pick up to the podium of course, so how many phone calls do you think they took before writing Spiller's name on the card and handing it to the runner? Yes and that bothers me. Take some time, even if it's just cosmetic. But the truth is, the Bills could have been working offers for days. They knew they had the #9 pick. I would expect they took many calls, just not at that moment on draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 (edited) Yes and that bothers me. Take some time, even if it's just cosmetic. But the truth is, the Bills could have been working offers for days. They knew they had the #9 pick. I would expect they took many calls, just not at that moment on draft day. I'm sure. And the truth is, if Spiller was the very best player on anyone's board at that point, but if the teams looking at a RB didn't see too many differences between him and Best, they'd have to make the call: is Spiller so much better than Best that he's worth giving up at least a third-rounder? Think about it on those terms. Edited December 29, 2010 by RuntheDamnBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 the teams looking at a RB didn't see too many differences between him and Best You know this how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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