Got_Wood Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) Maybin is quick and athletic. He's not a big stout defensive end that can bull rush offensive tackles and get to the QB that way. He needs to be standing up on the edge out wide where he can speed rush and work in space. See examples below. Maybin in 4 point stance. Ends up hitting a wall when he runs into the offensive tackle. Gets pancaked... http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8589/maybinstance.jpg Example of Steelers OLB's in stand up 2 point stance... http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/4089/steelersdefense2.jpg Different angle of defensive alignment and the pressure it brings with OLBs out in open space... http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/261/steelersdefense.jpg If we don't use our personnel the way they're supposed to be used, then we're wasting potential talent on the bench. Edited October 12, 2010 by Got_Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 I pretty much agree with you (Maybin should be up to rush) but the formation the Bills are in is not a 34 in that picture it is a 4-2-5 and it would be right that he starts from a four point in that formation (he is actually a DE in that case). The Steelers are in a true 34 and yeah the OLBs are up in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got_Wood Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 I pretty much agree with you (Maybin should be up to rush) but the formation the Bills are in is not a 34 in that picture it is a 4-2-5 and it would be right that he starts from a four point in that formation (he is actually a DE in that case). The Steelers are in a true 34 and yeah the OLBs are up in it. You're definitely right. We're in a "hybrid" 4-3/3-4 that makes no sense at all. We have Kelsay running around in space trying to defend the pass and getting burned consistently, and we have Maybin bull rushing OT's and getting buried. No pressure on QB's, no solid run defense, and no ball hawking defensive backs (0 Int's for defensive backs this year). This defense ensures that we're terrible in every phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaPolian8693 Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 I hate it when Maybin pulls out his patented Four-On-The-Floor move. It's embarassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsObserver Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Excellent thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 It's a good point. Maybin lines up like a sprinter waiting for the starting gun. That CAN'T be the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless Ike Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) I pretty much agree with you (Maybin should be up to rush) but the formation the Bills are in is not a 34 in that picture it is a 4-2-5 and it would be right that he starts from a four point in that formation (he is actually a DE in that case). The Steelers are in a true 34 and yeah the OLBs are up in it. Nickel package with an extra d-lineman who's allegedly a pass rushing specialist...makes sense to me when facing the patriots with a 3 WR set... Edited October 12, 2010 by Endless Ike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playman Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 jason taylor starts from 4-point stance too in a 40 front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 I agree 100%. The four point stance completely eliminates his speed. This is why I think the defense problem is more on the coaching and not the players. Anybody can see Maybin's too light to be lining up like that against a monster OT. I have no idea why the "creep* defense isn't used instead of this nonsense of switching between 4-3. 4-2-5 and sometimes, just maybe, a real 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe Northern Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 If we don't use our personnel the way they're supposed to be used, then we're wasting potential talent on the bench. Good point, but do you think anyone is TELLING Maybin to get in a four-point stance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got_Wood Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) jason taylor starts from 4-point stance too in a 40 front. Taylor uses all three techniques. Sometimes he stands up, sometimes he's in a 3-point, and sometimes a 4 point stance. He's also one of the best in the game. He's got a large array of pass rushing moves, he's probably got about 10-15 pounds on Maybin, and Ryan knows how to mix up the edge of the line with additional blitzers to get Taylor a lane to the QB. A little different scenario. Edited October 12, 2010 by Got_Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beebe's Kid Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Good point, but do you think anyone is TELLING Maybin to get in a four-point stance? Maybinot, but they should be telling him to stand the !@#$ up and try to get an angle. I hate the wallbash smiley, but there is no better way to illustrate us continuing to put/let Maybin in the 4-pt stance. This is a great thread, does anybody have Chan's email address to bring this to his attention??!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 FWIW, if you watch tape of Maybin while he was at PSU, he's in the 4 point stance. However, he's lined up quite a ways off the OT in everything I watched, so that when the ball is snapped, he does not have to take on the OT face to face, where the OT can use his size and strength but at the angle, which benefits Maybin's speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got_Wood Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 I do think Maybin needs to add 10-15 pounds to his frame to be a successful OLB in the NFL though. He's just too small right now to play that position consistently. But there is NO WAY we should give up on him yet, especially 5 games into his career. He had no playing time last year, and now it looks like it's shaping up the same way this year. I'm hoping things change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playman Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Taylor uses all three techniques. Sometimes he stands up, sometimes he's in a 3-point, and sometimes a 4 point stance. He's also one of the best in the game. He's got a large array of pass rushing moves, he's probably got about 10-15 pounds on Maybin, and Ryan knows how to mix up the edge of the line with additional blitzers to get Taylor a lane to the QB. A little different scenario. exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreezeMafia Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Maybin is quick and athletic. He's not a big stout defensive end that can bull rush offensive tackles and get to the QB that way. He needs to be standing up on the edge out wide where he can speed rush and work in space. See examples below. Maybin in 4 point stance. Ends up hitting a wall when he runs into the offensive tackle. Gets pancaked... http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8589/maybinstance.jpg Example of Steelers OLB's in stand up 2 point stance... http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/4089/steelersdefense2.jpg Different angle of defensive alignment and the pressure it brings with OLBs out in open space... http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/261/steelersdefense.jpg If we don't use our personnel the way they're supposed to be used, then we're wasting potential talent on the bench. I agree with you as well. Maybin will have to learn how to use his speed and become an expert in the "hand fight" if he is going to want to succeed in this league. "Hand Fighting" is something that Jason Taylor had to learn and is one of the all time very best football players at it. Wing Chun, Daito Ryu, Jui Jitsui all have great hand "offensive techniques" that could help Aaron tremendously. What doenst help Aaron is that the Bills switched to a 3-4 when he was drafted to be an end in the 4-3. but, that was the situation for Jason Taylor as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayD Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Taylor uses all three techniques. Sometimes he stands up, sometimes he's in a 3-point, and sometimes a 4 point stance. He's also one of the best in the game. He's got a large array of pass rushing moves, he's probably got about 10-15 pounds on Maybin, and Ryan knows how to mix up the edge of the line with additional blitzers to get Taylor a lane to the QB. A little different scenario. By the way Jason taylor is 6'6" 250lbs and Maybin is 6'4" 250lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Maybin is quick and athletic. He's not a big stout defensive end that can bull rush offensive tackles and get to the QB that way. He needs to be standing up on the edge out wide where he can speed rush and work in space. See examples below. Maybin in 4 point stance. Ends up hitting a wall when he runs into the offensive tackle. Gets pancaked... http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8589/maybinstance.jpg Example of Steelers OLB's in stand up 2 point stance... http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/4089/steelersdefense2.jpg Different angle of defensive alignment and the pressure it brings with OLBs out in open space... http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/261/steelersdefense.jpg If we don't use our personnel the way they're supposed to be used, then we're wasting potential talent on the bench. This is pretty much the best post I've ever read (with photographic evidence and everything!) I totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clip Smith Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 I think this is the visual of how we use Maybin all wrong, you were looking for.... All Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChimp Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Maybin just needs some tackin' fuel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGPYYnA6UD8&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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