N.Y. Orangeman Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 The obsession with Lefevour hopefully ends this week... "Meanwhile, Dan Lefevour’s college production exceeded all expectations at Central Michigan, but with small hands and only average arm strength he has little hope of success in the NFL beyond a back-up role. In particular, Lefevor really has to muscle up on most throws to get any zip on the ball, although he may be better on game day as he will have a chance to showcase his legs and take the focus off his arm." http://www.gbnreport.com/seniorbowlreport.htm "Central Michigan's Dan LeFevour lacks Pike's big arm, but was able to drive the ball with more authority than Canfield. However, he was the most erratic thrower Tuesday, struggling to hit his receivers in full stride. He has been limited in practice, as he has been asked to remain strictly in the pocket. Without the threat of scrambling, LeFevour's less-than-ideal accuracy is being exposed a bit against the North's quality defensive backs." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/1...ive-backs-solid Dan LeFevour/Central Michigan Arm Strength: LeFevour, based on the way he threw in this practice, doesn't have a strong arm. He couldn't get any power into his throws nor did he get a good push off his back foot. Accuracy: Like many of the quarterbacks here in Mobile this week, he tended to rush his throws. Because of that, many of LeFevour's passes were inaccurate during this practice session. Pocket Awareness/Movement: Moving away from the rush wasn't an issue at all for LeFevour. He seemed to sense oncoming pass rushers well. Mechanics: LeFevour struggled with his footwork during this session. Because of that, he may have lost some power in his throws. His release point also seemed to be an issue for him. http://sdg.scout.com/2/941207.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveydanceswithwolves Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 i almost forgot that arm strength was everything when deciding a quarterback...'cause jamarcus russell turned out so damn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 i almost forgot that arm strength was everything when deciding a quarterback...'cause jamarcus russell turned out so damn good. and we have had so called smart guys that can't throw a 15 yard out. I would take arm strength over the limp armed fairies we have been parading out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 and we have had so called smart guys that can't throw a 15 yard out. I would take arm strength over the limp armed fairies we have been parading out there. The Rap on Tom Brady - "Lacks arm strength" that is why he was a mid round pick. Good News maybe LeFevour will be there in the third round now! Because with a good Senior Bowl week he was not going to last out of the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Tony pike does not have a "big arm", this article is therefore invalid. Lefevour rocks!!! Go Dan Lefevour!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 After watching Lafevour for a few games this year I think he MAY be the answer .... we're just asking the wrong question He very well may or may NOT be the franchise starting QB star we are looking for, but he will almost certianly be a very good backup at least. IMHO there are no QBs in this years draft that stand out as "THE" guy we are looking for and face it we have greater immediate needs for our high draft picks this year. If I were king of the world (which I'm not) I would be more than happy to invest a third/fourth round draft choice in Lafevour to replace any one of the three QBs we currently have on the team. Ya never know we could hit the jackpot rather than drafting a QB higher based on "hype". IMHO ... we need a year or so of "team building" before we even think about investing in and handing the keys over to a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtl3302 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 The Rap on Tom Brady - "Lacks arm strength" that is why he was a mid round pick. Good News maybe LeFevour will be there in the third round now! Because with a good Senior Bowl week he was not going to last out of the second round. Heard he lacked mobility, never heard he lacked arm strength. Kiper draft guide doesn't mention arm strength! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted January 27, 2010 Author Share Posted January 27, 2010 i almost forgot that arm strength was everything when deciding a quarterback...'cause jamarcus russell turned out so damn good. Yeah...and having a weak, inaccurate arm and no experience in a pro-style offense makes you the answer to 15 years of futility at the QB situation. I really wonder if this kid hadn't played UB how many people here would be carrying his water, let alone seen him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Well, I don't know much about his arm strength but I loved what I saw in the few games I watched. He was completely clutch making some VERY tough throws in that Bowl game. I would not be opposed at all in the 3rd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveydanceswithwolves Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Yeah...and having a weak, inaccurate arm and no experience in a pro-style offense makes you the answer to 15 years of futility at the QB situation. I really wonder if this kid hadn't played UB how many people here would be carrying his water, let alone seen him play. First of all, he does not have as weak an arm as people say. Wouldn't have been a successful college quarterback if he did. Second, i didn't know having a career 66 percent completion percentage was being inaccurate. Third, most quarterbacks in college don't play in a pro-style offense. He threw for 102 TD's and ran for 47 while only throwing 36 interceptions. That seems like a pretty good ratio for me...and the 11 yards per completion average seems to be pretty efficient too. My point is there is way too much potential to just say he doesn't have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted January 27, 2010 Author Share Posted January 27, 2010 First of all, he does not have as weak an arm as people say. Wouldn't have been a successful college quarterback if he did. Second, i didn't know having a career 66 percent completion percentage was being inaccurate. Third, most quarterbacks in college don't play in a pro-style offense. He threw for 102 TD's and ran for 47 while only throwing 36 interceptions. That seems like a pretty good ratio for me...and the 11 yards per completion average seems to be pretty efficient too. My point is there is way too much potential to just say he doesn't have a chance. The your reasoning on arm strength doesn't prove a thing. Secondly, the stats coming out of spread offense don't necessarily translate to the NFL (see Graham Harrell, etc). Also, I never said he didn't have a chance. What I would say is his chance is much, much smaller than other QBs in the class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfw1234 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 FYI... http://www.newerascouting.com/01/2010-seni...e-north-report/ QUARTERBACKS –Trevor Canfield (Oregon State) cemented himself as the top signal caller on the North squad in my book. His arm strength is suspect, but he knows how to make up for it. He consistently throws a tight spiral and his ability to put the ball exactly where he wants to is a tremendous asset. I really like this kid and his future is brighter than Pike and LeFevour. Here is Day 2 report QUARTERBACKS –Another rough day for Tony Pike (Cincinnati). He was missing on a lot of easy throws by a wide margin. He missed a stationary Gilyard on a stay pass. He then rolled to his right and threw at Garrett Graham’s feet despite no defender in between the two. His balls are not coming out crisp, throwing a lot of wobblers. –Dan LeFevour (Central Michigan) had a rough time in the team drills, but I don’t think it was his fault. The offensive line was being obliterated play after play and LeFevour could not step in to his throws. There is not a lot of power in that arm, but he does know how to put a ball on a certain spot despite being pressured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 i almost forgot that arm strength was everything when deciding a quarterback...'cause jamarcus russell turned out so damn good. The old idea of drafting a QB was all arm strength accuracy was an after thought. If you had a great arm and average accuracy the old thought was that you could teach accuracy. After numerous QB's that weren't able to improve their accuracy during their NFL careers (Jamarcus russell, JP Losman, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf all prime examples) the thought was accuracy was just as important. BUT to play in Buffalo I think you need at least an above average NFL caliber arm. But you need accuracy in the NFL it can't be learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robkmil Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 The obsession with Lefevour hopefully ends this week... "Meanwhile, Dan Lefevour’s college production exceeded all expectations at Central Michigan, but with small hands and only average arm strength he has little hope of success in the NFL beyond a back-up role. In particular, Lefevor really has to muscle up on most throws to get any zip on the ball, although he may be better on game day as he will have a chance to showcase his legs and take the focus off his arm." http://www.gbnreport.com/seniorbowlreport.htm "Central Michigan's Dan LeFevour lacks Pike's big arm, but was able to drive the ball with more authority than Canfield. However, he was the most erratic thrower Tuesday, struggling to hit his receivers in full stride. He has been limited in practice, as he has been asked to remain strictly in the pocket. Without the threat of scrambling, LeFevour's less-than-ideal accuracy is being exposed a bit against the North's quality defensive backs." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/1...ive-backs-solid Dan LeFevour/Central Michigan Arm Strength: LeFevour, based on the way he threw in this practice, doesn't have a strong arm. He couldn't get any power into his throws nor did he get a good push off his back foot. Accuracy: Like many of the quarterbacks here in Mobile this week, he tended to rush his throws. Because of that, many of LeFevour's passes were inaccurate during this practice session. Pocket Awareness/Movement: Moving away from the rush wasn't an issue at all for LeFevour. He seemed to sense oncoming pass rushers well. Mechanics: LeFevour struggled with his footwork during this session. Because of that, he may have lost some power in his throws. His release point also seemed to be an issue for him. http://sdg.scout.com/2/941207.html I love this time of the year, no player is good they all have too great of weaknesses to be successful, I always wonder why they were so good in college Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Heard he lacked mobility, never heard he lacked arm strength. Kiper draft guide doesn't mention arm strength! college). Does it say Brady had a strong Arm? or just leave it blank. How can you evaluate a QB without commenting on arm strength? Clearly he does have a stong arm now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 FYI... http://www.newerascouting.com/01/2010-seni...e-north-report/ QUARTERBACKS –Trevor Canfield (Oregon State) cemented himself as the top signal caller on the North squad in my book. His arm strength is suspect, but he knows how to make up for it. He consistently throws a tight spiral and his ability to put the ball exactly where he wants to is a tremendous asset. I really like this kid and his future is brighter than Pike and LeFevour. Here is Day 2 report QUARTERBACKS –Another rough day for Tony Pike (Cincinnati). He was missing on a lot of easy throws by a wide margin. He missed a stationary Gilyard on a stay pass. He then rolled to his right and threw at Garrett Graham’s feet despite no defender in between the two. His balls are not coming out crisp, throwing a lot of wobblers. –Dan LeFevour (Central Michigan) had a rough time in the team drills, but I don’t think it was his fault. The offensive line was being obliterated play after play and LeFevour could not step in to his throws. There is not a lot of power in that arm, but he does know how to put a ball on a certain spot despite being pressured. First, let's ignore anything this "draft specialist" has to say because his name is Sean Canfield, not Trevor. Secondly, for all the Tim Tebow lovers, Dan Lefevour's stats in college were comparable if not better than Tebow's. Lefevour was a winner and a leader for his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 The old idea of drafting a QB was all arm strength accuracy was an after thought. If you had a great arm and average accuracy the old thought was that you could teach accuracy. After numerous QB's that weren't able to improve their accuracy during their NFL careers (Jamarcus russell, JP Losman, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf all prime examples) the thought was accuracy was just as important. BUT to play in Buffalo I think you need at least an above average NFL caliber arm. But you need accuracy in the NFL it can't be learned. Quote from the Sporting News Feb 2, 2004 re Tom Brady "...WEAKNESSES: Lacks ideal quickness. Forces the ball into coverage at times and tries to make too much happen. Doesn't have ideal arm strength; some of his downfield passes sail. Doesn't get great velocity on his vertical passes...." Would you take Brady for a Buffalo QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Heard he lacked mobility, never heard he lacked arm strength. Kiper draft guide doesn't mention arm strength! The Sporting News Feb 2, 2004 Re Tom Brady "....WEAKNESSES: Lacks ideal quickness. Forces the ball into coverage at times and tries to make too much happen. Doesn't have ideal arm strength; some of his downfield passes sail. Doesn't get great velocity on his vertical passes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Quote from the Sporting News Feb 2, 2004 re Tom Brady "...WEAKNESSES: Lacks ideal quickness. Forces the ball into coverage at times and tries to make too much happen. Doesn't have ideal arm strength; some of his downfield passes sail. Doesn't get great velocity on his vertical passes...." Would you take Brady for a Buffalo QB? With our offensive line? Hell yes, would be cool to see him snapped like a twig (joking, I don't ever want to see players injured). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 We talkin' about practice??? Before access to everything, no one would have idea how he practiced. He's been a gamer and I'll judge him in the actual game. Crazy, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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