Alaska Darin Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Maybe you should let your boy defend his own statements. I thought you attacked stupidity whenever you see it. I guess you're more selective than you think. 131007[/snapback] My "boy"? That's a racist term in itself. I'm sure you know that. I don't see a statement of his that needs to be defended or attacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 My "boy"? That's a racist term in itself. I'm sure you know that. I don't see a statement of his that needs to be defended or attacked. 131014[/snapback] Then why the need to jump into the conversation? (FYI: the kids these days use the terms "boy" and "close friend" interchangeably) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Then why the need to jump into the conversation? (FYI: the kids these days use the terms "boy" and "close friend" interchangeably) 131026[/snapback] Well, maybe some of us are not "kids". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Well, maybe some of us are not "kids". 131031[/snapback] Man, you said a mouthful there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Man, you said a mouthful there! 131034[/snapback] Well, I'll take that to mean you are somewhat grateful to have adults looking out for your welfare, so you can embrace your obviously well thought out perceptions of your fellow man not to mention your open minded ideology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Then why the need to jump into the conversation? (FYI: the kids these days use the terms "boy" and "close friend" interchangeably) 131026[/snapback] Well obviously that's because they don't know the origin of the term or are too immature/world stupid to care. As for needing to jump into the conversation: It's a message board. I don't need a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Well obviously that's because they don't know the origin of the term or are too immature/world stupid to care. As for needing to jump into the conversation: It's a message board. I don't need a reason. 131044[/snapback] No, I fully comprehend the origin of the term "boy". Times change, pal. Gay used to mean happy, remember? Would winning the lottery make you gay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 No, I fully comprehend the origin of the term "boy". Times change, pal. Gay used to mean happy, remember? Would winning the lottery make you gay? 131051[/snapback] If times change then why are you so quick to toss racism? Oh, the hypocrisy of your own argument coming full circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wham Rocks Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 No, I fully comprehend the origin of the term "boy". Times change, pal. 131051[/snapback] Remember the terms "quadroon" and "octoroon"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Remember the terms "quadroon" and "octoroon"? 131100[/snapback] Excuse us all while we Google so we can say "Yes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wham Rocks Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Excuse us all while we Google so we can say "Yes". 131106[/snapback] There was a time when those terms were measuring sticks for how many civil liberties you recieved. And on top of that, octoroon is a funny word. I bet that guy from House Party with the crazy hair-do is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Well, that too. Note that the main reason the SA was purged was not Ernst Rohm's homosexuality or even the Army's distrust for them. No, the SA was purged because their ranks were "racially impure" whereas the SS was to be a teutonic order, pure in every way. 130338[/snapback] No, the main reason they were purged is because they got too big for their britches. The racial philosophy and politics of the Nazi party was dangerous BS...but it was fundamentally BS. The real motivations behind the party politics were almost universally about power, not race. The SA simply became too powerful an arm to be tolerated, particularly by the Wehrmacht...so Hitler bought the Army's acceptance of Nazi rule by doing away with the SA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 You're the one who made this a black/white issue. Personally, I don't give a flying !@#$ what you listen to or what you think of rap music. My issue is with the parallels you're clearly drawing between the hateful Nazi skinhead youth of today and the black community. There's a HUGE difference here. 130880[/snapback] No...he said gangsta rap isn't music. You're the one that turned it into a racial statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 No, the main reason they were purged is because they got too big for their britches. The racial philosophy and politics of the Nazi party was dangerous BS...but it was fundamentally BS. The real motivations behind the party politics were almost universally about power, not race. The SA simply became too powerful an arm to be tolerated, particularly by the Wehrmacht...so Hitler bought the Army's acceptance of Nazi rule by doing away with the SA. 131119[/snapback] Hey, it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 No...he said gangsta rap isn't music. You're the one that turned it into a racial statement. 131122[/snapback] We've already been there. He's reading up on the Gay rights agenda now for the next onslaught. I can go from Racist to Homophobe. (sigh) Life was so much simpler when I was just a neocon baby killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 To just get back on topic, a lot of the stuff pushed onto people as "gansta rap" is a result of marketing. It pretty much all sounds the same, because that is what sells...no shocker there, that's music. For the most part it's just chest-beating crap, written by guys who grew up in suburbia. The early gansta rap was pretty groundbreaking stuff because it spoke about how life was in some of the worst areas to live in america. That NWA-Straight out of Compton record is a brilliant, powerful piece of expression. You don't have to enjoy the music, but you have to appreciate the brutal honesty of it. There is no other record like it in this genre, all else pales in comparison, and just about everything else in the genre is crap/fantasy/cartoonish. As for the white supremacist "music," no one takes this stuff seriously, and the punk/hardcore movement goes out of it's way to distance itself from these idiots. This is KzooMike bigoty, and there are very, very few venues where this type of music is tolerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 To just get back on topic, a lot of the stuff pushed onto people as "gansta rap" is a result of marketing. It pretty much all sounds the same, because that is what sells...no shocker there, that's music. For the most part it's just chest-beating crap, written by guys who grew up in suburbia. The early gansta rap was pretty groundbreaking stuff because it spoke about how life was in some of the worst areas to live in america. That NWA-Straight out of Compton record is a brilliant, powerful piece of expression. You don't have to enjoy the music, but you have to appreciate the brutal honesty of it. There is no other record like it in this genre, all else pales in comparison, and just about everything else in the genre is crap/fantasy/cartoonish. As for the white supremacist "music," no one takes this stuff seriously, and the punk/hardcore movement goes out of it's way to distance itself from these idiots. This is KzooMike bigoty, and there are very, very few venues where this type of music is tolerated. 131161[/snapback] In truth, I do appreciate the genre for what it is...but I don't consider it music. That's just my musical bigotry showing, though...I'm just old-school when it comes to music, in thinking it should have harmony in addition to rhythm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 With all this opining of what is and isn't racist, I wonder if we even HAVE a person of color on this board who could set us all straight? We may have opinions on gansta rap and racist music but I can pretty much guar-an-tee that there's a whole other paradigm out there that most of us can never see because we can never go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 With all this opining of what is and isn't racist, I wonder if we even HAVE a person of color on this board who could set us all straight? We may have opinions on gansta rap and racist music but I can pretty much guar-an-tee that there's a whole other paradigm out there that most of us can never see because we can never go there. 131170[/snapback] The REALLY interesting thing about that statement is...we don't really know, do we? For all Frenkle knows, BiB is black... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 With all this opining of what is and isn't racist, I wonder if we even HAVE a person of color on this board who could set us all straight? We may have opinions on gansta rap and racist music but I can pretty much guar-an-tee that there's a whole other paradigm out there that most of us can never see because we can never go there. 131170[/snapback] huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 In truth, I do appreciate the genre for what it is...but I don't consider it music. That's just my musical bigotry showing, though...I'm just old-school when it comes to music, in thinking it should have harmony in addition to rhythm. 131165[/snapback] True, it's more like story-telling, or a poetry slam with a beat. Much of the rap/hip-hop stuff all sounds the same to me, but then again, so does the blues or jazz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 The REALLY interesting thing about that statement is...we don't really know, do we? For all Frenkle knows, BiB is black... 131172[/snapback] Mostly in my heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Mostly in my heart. 131178[/snapback] It's your sense of rhythm that gives you away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 The early gansta rap was pretty groundbreaking stuff because it spoke about how life was in some of the worst areas to live in america. That NWA-Straight out of Compton record is a brilliant, powerful piece of expression. You don't have to enjoy the music, but you have to appreciate the brutal honesty of it. There is no other record like it in this genre, all else pales in comparison, and just about everything else in the genre is crap/fantasy/cartoonish. 131161[/snapback] Oh, please. Why is there no record like it? Because they were the first to curse in the songs? Care to describe how NWA was more revolutionary than Public Enemy, or even the tame Grandmaster Flash & FF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Oh, please. Why is there no record like it? Because they were the first to curse in the songs? Care to describe how NWA was more revolutionary than Public Enemy, or even the tame Grandmaster Flash & FF? 131213[/snapback] And just where have YOU been, young man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 The REALLY interesting thing about that statement is...we don't really know, do we? For all Frenkle knows, BiB is black... 131172[/snapback] But I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 And just where have YOU been, young man? 131222[/snapback] Avoiding work, so I'm writing out Chri.... (uhhm) Holiday Cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 But I know. 131236[/snapback] That's how rumors get started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdh1 Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 A LOT of people would disagree. Maybe it's just past your time. BTW, how do you feel about black people? 130170[/snapback] Hey, White rappers suck too. Maybe we should ask you the question "Do you play an instrument?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Hey, White rappers suck too. Maybe we should ask you the question "Do you play an instrument?" 131253[/snapback] Can I answer that for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Can I answer that for him? 131257[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Oh, please. Why is there no record like it? Because they were the first to curse in the songs? Care to describe how NWA was more revolutionary than Public Enemy, or even the tame Grandmaster Flash & FF? 131213[/snapback] GM-Flash and the Furious Five’s early sides were heavier on the “partytime” angle, and only barely scratched the surface of how socially conscious the genre could be (I don’t consider them “gansta rap” anyway). You make a good point about Public Enemy, but I feel (just an opinion) that they stuck more to a politicized African-American empowerment/nationalism line, rather than beating you over the head with how it is to just survive in that environment. NWA speaks more to black urban alienation and doesn’t go anywhere near the politics PE does, or the feel-good-time Flash does. All three are excellent examples of how rich the rap musical genre could be/was, and how lame it has become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 GM-Flash and the Furious Five’s early sides were heavier on the “partytime” angle, and only barely scratched the surface of how socially conscious the genre could be (I don’t consider them “gansta rap” anyway). You make a good point about Public Enemy, but I feel (just an opinion) that they stuck more to a politicized African-American empowerment/nationalism line, rather than beating you over the head with how it is to just survive in that environment. NWA speaks more to black urban alienation and doesn’t go anywhere near the politics PE does, or the feel-good-time Flash does. All three are excellent examples of how rich the rap musical genre could be/was, and how lame it has become. 131384[/snapback] Good summation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Good summation. 131389[/snapback] Germ Boy does have his moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Germ Boy does have his moments. 131408[/snapback] Only his youthful inexperience makes him a liberal. That'll change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Only his youthful inexperience makes him a liberal. That'll change. 131409[/snapback] Don't try to change me, baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Don't try to change me, baby. 131414[/snapback] I'm not trying to change anyone. It's simply inevitable. You heard it here first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Don't try to change me, baby. 131414[/snapback] Time and pain will take care of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wham Rocks Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Why worry about silly things like racism and rap music when you can... Dance to this pointless waste of time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 No, the main reason they were purged is because they got too big for their britches. The racial philosophy and politics of the Nazi party was dangerous BS...but it was fundamentally BS. The real motivations behind the party politics were almost universally about power, not race. The SA simply became too powerful an arm to be tolerated, particularly by the Wehrmacht...so Hitler bought the Army's acceptance of Nazi rule by doing away with the SA. 131119[/snapback] Then you totally dicsount the fact that the SA filled it's ranks with semi-illiterate "beefsteak socialists" that wouldn't toe the line with Nazi racial and political ideologies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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