Simon Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 I'd appreciate anybody who'd be willing to describe the what/where/how/when of it as I don't have the slightest idea of what Martz is babbling about. Many thanx............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 They showed a replay right before Nate Clements returned the punt for a TD. I don't know if it was a run or pass, but he came at him from the front and blocked him below the waist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 They showed a replay right before Nate Clements returned the punt for a TD. I don't know if it was a run or pass, but he came at him from the front and blocked him below the waist. 128249[/snapback] Was Holt engaged with another blocker at the time? Because, if not, that's a legal block... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 22, 2004 Author Share Posted November 22, 2004 I don't know if it was a run or pass, but he came at him from the front and blocked him below the waist. thighs/knees/ankles, down/distance, at the LOS? etc..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 I just watched it again, they show it right before the 3rd down play where Sam Adams hits Faulk with a loss on 3rd and 1. Clements then takes the punt all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 He was close, then dove at his knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 22, 2004 Author Share Posted November 22, 2004 if not, that's a legal block... I'm not sure if legality is what's at issue here, M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Holt saw it coming all the way and deflected most of the impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 22, 2004 Author Share Posted November 22, 2004 Holt saw it coming all the way and deflected most of the impact That may tell us two things: The fact Holt was looking for it would likely denote that it was not the first time he'd seen it. The fact Holt was looking for it means that he wasn't playing ball We already know a third thing: Holt has some of the shortest arms in the NFL...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Was Holt engaged with another blocker at the time? Because, if not, that's a legal block... 128252[/snapback] There was no other "blocker because the Bills didn't have the ball.... Clements inexplicably dove at his knees and yes it was dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 I'd appreciate anybody who'd be willing to describe the what/where/how/when of it as I don't have the slightest idea of what Martz is babbling about.Many thanx............. 128246[/snapback] Clements intentionally cheap shotted one of the Ram receivers by very clearly and deliberately blocking down into his knees. Not his thighs, his knees. It was a cheap shot and I was PO d at Clements for taking it. DBs just don't do those types of things unless they're intentional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Clements intentionally cheap shotted one of the Ram receivers by very clearly and deliberately blocking down into his knees. Not his thighs, his knees. It was a cheap shot and I was PO d at Clements for taking it. DBs just don't do those types of things unless they're intentional. 128287[/snapback] Who cares, Holt doesn't play for the Bills. Just win, by any means necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 I did not go back and watch the replay, but from what I remember - they were face-to-face out on their own. Clements was about 3-4 feet from Holtz and then he just turned sideways, and dove right at the knees. Holtz mainly sidestepped it.... The announcers went back and highlighted it. It is hard to imagine any situation where Nate could justify his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 the hit was legal, as holt and clements were the only 2 guys in the area, but it was dirty. As sds mentioned, clements sorta barrel rolled into holt's knees. I'm guessing that clements was aiming for his thighs, but he missed along with holt sidestepping it. Thist begs the question: Why did our "premier" CB make the decision to dive on a chuck, leaving him on the ground and holt wide open for a pass? I for one am sick of clements DB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 the hit was legal, as holt and clements were the only 2 guys in the area, but it was dirty. As sds mentioned, clements sorta barrel rolled into holt's knees. I'm guessing that clements was aiming for his thighs, but he missed along with holt sidestepping it. Thist begs the question: Why did our "premier" CB make the decision to dive on a chuck, leaving him on the ground and holt wide open for a pass? I for one am sick of clements DB play. 128329[/snapback] holt wide open? he limped off after the hit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 22, 2004 Author Share Posted November 22, 2004 Thanx for the input y'all. Sounds like Nate is as sick of losing as Moulds is. Stay off the knees, Nate. There's better ways to dirt guys. I for one am sick of clements DB play Yeah, he's only the best corner I've ever watched in a Bills uni. I can see where you'd get really sick of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 simon, he's playing better, but for every game where he plays great, he comes back and gets burned... This is year 4 for him. consistancy would be good right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 winfield got smoked way more than nate ever does....as far as the cheap shot....we're not on the field, so we don't know what's going on....it's football folks not curling..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 22, 2004 Author Share Posted November 22, 2004 he's playing better, but for every game where he plays great, he comes back and gets burned Guess what? They all get burned. Every single one of them. Every single game. Every single corner gets his ass beat. -Nate gets beat a hell of a lot less than most any other corner in the NFL -Nate is among the NFL's most dangerous players when he gets the ball in his hands. -Nate has always been a fierce tackler but is now also becoming a consistent tackler. -It's become obvious that the majority of QB's the Bills face are terrified to throw the ball to Nate's side. -Nate is a plus player, at Cornerback no less. That means than he produces more points for the Bills than he allows. And to do that from the defensive corner position is the sign of an outstanding player. You may not like that he parties on the field when he makes a big play. You may not like that he has "Playmaker" on his locker or licensplate or something. You may not like his attitude or exuberant confidence. I could care less about any of that stuff. But if you don't like his play on the corner, then you're just not watching the same game as I am. Because like him or not, he's become an elite NFL corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Oh please. LMAO! 'Dirty' is when you attack a guy from the rear/ Flank (Denver OL Men) or when engaged. throwing a low block at the knees is NOT dirty nor is it illegal. Now I further understand why most of you either QUIT being athletes or never were one. LMAO! Waaaaah he came at me from the front, one on one...waaaaaaaah. Too funny. SIMON I gotta disagree, no one has played close to Nate Odomes level yet. I can give clements the #2 nod but look at it like this....we can both say 'Nate' is the best and be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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