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6 rookies starting plus a winning record = national coverage

https://gamepass.nfl.com/nflgp/secure/registerform I agree though that if you have the ability to setup a slingbox it would be the way to go.

Being from the Netherlands I subscribe to NFL Gamepass HD which shows all games live and has them archived after games are over at a cost of roughly $260,- for the season. The season on nfl.com doesn't include preseason or playoffs/division championships/superbowl but does include a live feed of NFL Network as a bonus. This is only available if you are abroad. It is a little bit cheaper to choose for follow your team (safes about $30,-) but for the additional content it gives you at the $30,- extra I'd advise to go all the way if you decide to sub.

Hush; you are supposed to respond to this one (that correctly says Ryan instead of my fantasy mixup): http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?...t&p=1522052

Lol, nope I was serious. Last World Bowl was played by the Hamburg Seadevils @ Frankfurt Galaxy. You made me all giddy... :/ No worries, i'll re-obtain my copy someday.

Does he still happen to have the last World Bowl with the american commentary (not the german voice over feed) by any chance? I lost mine when my dvr crashed... :/

... So a bunch of drunken guys like to chant for boobies, some drunken women comply ... And the issue is?

Now wouldnt that be sweet pulling a stunt over the Patriots*.

If anything that would indicate he is an excellent 3rd stringer or even 2nd stringer material. Pouts: Trent Edwards 20/25 for 158 0 td 2 int for a passer rating of 59.7 average gain of 6.3 yards/att. Larry Fitzpatrick 21/43 for 316 1 td 1 int for a passer rating of 71.5 average gain of 7.3 yards/att. Gibran Hamdan 23/31 for 263 1 td 1 int for a passer rating of 96.6 average gain of 8.5 yards/att Not sure why either, but I understand what you mean. He looks more confident, yet looks to have lost some of his glamour for lack of a better word. Maybe it's because he isn't trying to push? I also was thinking he was looking different this year, maybe his footing is different? Ok, I understand you looked him up on his NFL page... But that page is wrong. 2003 - Redskins 7th round draft pick 2004 - FA, cut after redskins coach was fired during offseason, second string Amsterdam Admirals behind Clint Stoerner (Arena hero who sucked in the real game, caused quite the controversy because fans wanted Hamdan) 2005 - Amsterdam Admirals starting QB, Seahawks, PS 2006 - Amsterdam Admirals starting QB, Seahawks, cut, didn't clear waivers, signed to 49-ers PS, signed to Seahawks roster after Hasselbeck went down from 49-ers PS finished season with Seahawks 2007 - Signed with Dolphins to compete with Lemon for starting job, cut (story on it self), picked up early during the season to the Bills PS activated onto active roster in favor of Craig Nall who was cut to make room once Lossman went down. 2008 - Bills 3rd, promoted to 2nd for last 2 games of the season in favor of JP Lossman 2009 - Bills 3rd, pushed back by Fitzpatrick signing In college Hamdan was the backup behind Randle-El, so basicly throwing in his college numbers don't mean much. If you talk to Hamdan about his college period he'll talk baseball. So basicly Hamdan got his college reps in NFL Europe, which was quite the step up from college. Bottomline you cant throw in college numbers to compare the two. The 1/2 for 7 with a sack stat was a 4th quarter final drive bone that was thrown his way on which he went 3 and out.

Hmmm, the 20/25 made me curious how our qbs were doing rating wise so far... Trent Edwards 20/25 for 158 0 td 2 int for a passer rating of 59.7 average gain of 6.3 yards/att. Larry Fitzpatrick 21/43 for 316 1 td 1 int for a passer rating of 71.5 average gain of 7.3 yards/att. Gibran Hamdan 23/31 for 263 1 td 1 int for a passer rating of 96.6 average gain of 8.5 yards/att.

OMG lol, jw being sneaky bastard on us there... That quote is what worries me though, DJ seems to sound like a stuck record. Is he not getting the message accross or does he simply revert back to a playbook with media quotes to spew? Preseason performance aside Sal and Jim Kelly their reports didnt exactly make me smile either.

Play em for as long as they are opposing the starting defense or a solid mix of starts/second stringers.

Grey Goose

Anyone else have the feeling that Tim Graham will be writing a book called "Statistical Emotions" during the next offseason?

Yet the passer rating awarded to the quarterback is heavily penalized by interceptions thrown. I.e. the quarterback is receiving negative credit. The point you are missing is that American Football, and that goes for any sport basicly, is an emotional experience. The stats have a positive or negative emotional meaning. In it's simpliest form that translates to points for and points against. A stat in sports is not just a stat it is what makes sport work, simply because you need a stat in order to win or loose. Statistics are by no means static, not in sports and not in business. They are open to explanation and interpretation, which results in subjectivety. Take for example the health care statistic the US governement communicated to the public, i.e. 25% of the americans have no health insurance with over 60% of the Americans under insured. Now watch Fox News covering that and compare it to say CNN, two completly different reports. FOX News does an interpretation of the statistics making the viewers believe that the 15% is going to pay for the 25% gap and to beef up the 60%. CNN is using a different interpretation giving focus on the 25% receiving medical care they need. Opinions are formed, thus what seamed like simple numbers turned subjective, due to people giving different meaning to them. Back to the receiver fault that is giving a quarterback negative credit, even if the balls was spot on, which shows fault in the statistic. That fault makes it open to interpretation and with that it becomes a subjective number. The stat doesn't mean that the ball was thrown, since that would have been a pass attempt stat. It doesn't mean the ball wasn't delivered to the intended target, since that would have been a incomplete pass. The stat doesn't mean the ball was delivered, for that would be a complete pass. It clearly means the ball ended up with the defenders unintended without touching the ground. Now if it interceptions just be kept as a team stat you'd be right, however it gets assigned to the quarterback. There is simply no way you can defend that the quarterback isn't taking fault of others onto his shoulders with the interception stat. There is a fair portion of interceptions where it isn't clear who was at fault, did the receiver overshoot his route, undershot it, did the QB underthrow it, overthrew it, sometimes there is no telling, did a sudden wind gash take it away. And that makes it open to interpretation and therefor subjective. The question is, does it matter that the stats are subjective? We all know interceptions are, yet we do use them to judge quarterbacks. Does it matter? No since it does give a good measurable on the performance of a human and the number becomes more accurate the more measurements can be taken (*cough Favre*). The same can be said for measuring sacks allowed, over a ten year career there will be a clear difference between the good guys and bad guys. Does the fault margin matter? No not at all, since it's the same error margin for all as long as the measurement period is long enough and your measurement definition is solid enough. The trick is can someone come up with a sacks allowed measurable definition that is solid enough. Sacks allowed aside, this whole discussion makes me wonder why stats are kept on everything except when it comes to the offensive line. Pancakes could easily be measured cant they? Broadcasters could do a pocket timer similar to hangtime, the software would need to be a little bit more sophisticated but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of good programmers out there who can achieve such a feat. How do coaches grade and measure their o-line players? I'm sure they are keeping some sort of stat to use to compare their performances or is it all based on feeling and non statistical judgement?

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Solution could be to put Maybin on the pup if he doesn't perform well enough, that way they'll have 6 more weeks to evaluate the situation.

I still maintain that subjectivity or not is not the issue from this becoming an official stat, for the pure reason of the subjective nature. However Dean hit the nail with his comment "what do you do with sacks that come after 10 seconds", in the end the o-line it's job is not so much to stop the d-line as it is to delay them and the QB his job is that of getting the ball delivered within the time created by his o-line. That argument moves me to the let's not make this an official stat camp, again the subjectivity of it doesn't matter in the grand total as plenty of stats are subjective allready.

Sure gamestat wise there have been an x number of interceptions as there have been an x number of sacks. Those are gamestats, the point I tried to make was related to player stats. The interceptions a quarterback threw doesn't say per definition that he's a lousy quarterback, it could just as well have been a WR bobbling the ball into the hands of a defender on what was a perfect throw. So the interception stat as assigned to a QB is subjective. Plenty of discussion on that stat as well: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/48841-i...nst-their-stats so it can hardly be named a factbased statistic with relation to who made the error, hence I took it as example. The sack that is awarded to the player is 'sack caused by a defender' there is no twisting this one, I didnt make it up it allready is an official stat. See: http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/5...GB_Gamebook.pdf It's not so much a fact either when they get awarded half a sack, what if player one put in 75% of the effort and player 2 simply did the final dragging down they both get half a sack, that could have been a full sack to the first player had the second player not chipped in or it could have been no sack at all. But that wasn't the point with getting the defenders into the discussion, the point is defenders often depend on other defenders making room for them to blitz and obtain the sack especially on inside blitzes, thus the sack is often the result of team play just as much as sacks allowed would be the result of team play but you could just as easily pin it on a single guy or two that let the defender or defenders through to allow them to make the sack. Anyway at work here atm, i'll see if I can elaborate better/more later.

Maybe the Fo wasn't ready to give 25/14 for 5?

As it is the D-unit it's achievement, yet only one D-player or the D-players that lay hand on the QB get credit.

I see a lot of missing asterisks...

Because Hamdan drove for 4 TDs and a FG in preseason in his last 6 drives?

Watching as well, shitload of mismatches in favor of the Pack.