Big Turk
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4 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:
This is a big deal. Need to keep Bates or we end up w/ a huge hole on the O-line. We've let a lot of guys walk this off-season. (Only guys I think we've resigned McKenzie, Neal, Kumerow). Needed to go w/ the higher tender.
Bates was the key in getting the run game going late last year. Once he entered the starting lineup, the run game started performing much better.
I don't think he is going to get a huge contract from the Vikings but if he does, the Bills will be hard pressed to match it. Hopefully they can retain him.
1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said:Great info on Achilles injuries. I did note that the last good medical journal I had access to so far ended in 2016. As I stated at least 30% of players are out of the NFL after their second year after an Achilles tear, nothing posted above disproves that.
I believe Bates is a top 30-40 OG in the NFL. There are 64, he is in or near the top half IMO.
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"The cap is fluid, but Minnesota currently has <$2M of cap space. Question: do you believe Bates is the type of player you rearrange your cap and kick the can down the road for, to create a "poison pill" contract?"
Let's be honest, you are kind of mixing up Minnesota's cap situation with Buffalo's strategy in that question. I believe signing a proven guard, and backup center for $3.9 million to protect JA is worth it. Maybe you don't. The Guard play I saw from games and reviewed in videos at the end of the season (see videos) from Bates is worth $3.98 million if unmatched. The net difference between the ROFR tender the Bills placed, and a 'poison pill' for a second round tender was only $1.5 million. Penny wise, pound foolish.
This was a strategic miss.
Let's look at Minnesota offering Bates a 3 yr/$15M contract (not a crazy amount)
ROFR (Tendered by Buffalo):
If I am Minnesota, do I make cap arrangements to offer Bates 3yrs/ $15 million and no draft pick penalty for doing so? Heck 2/$8M might do the trick. Yes I do. Easy question. Force Buffalo to make another cut or restructure to keep him. Buffalo already cut/ restructured for Von Miller and others. They even dumped Beasley already. Who would be next?
2nd Round Tender: (1.5 million more, the path I would have preferred)
If I am Minnesota, do I make cap arrangements to offer Bates 2ys/$8M or 3yrs/ $15 million and have to give up my second round pick? No I probably do not. The cost of having to give up my 2nd round pick to Buffalo (46th pick in Minnesota's case), on top of the contract will heavily dissuade me from that signing even if the money is right. Minnesota may even want to offer Bates 3yrs/18M or 4yr/20M, but that 46th pick may be worth more than the cap adjustments and risk.
That is the poison pill. It is worth $1.5 million IMO.
Let's say in this situation, Minnesota does offer 2/$8M, 3/$15M or 4/$20M and the 2nd. Buffalo can not match, but at least they receive Minnesota's pick #46 to offset the loss. One can find some really good IOL around there. Creed Humphrey went later than that. In that case pair a 2nd and 1st and move up for a stud CB and still have a 2nd for a WR or OG/C. The options are endless.
As for Buffalo, there is no need to 'rearrange your cap' by having the $3.98M 2nd round tender in place instead of the ROFR. Buffalo already put a $2.43 million tender on Bates. It is a $1.53 million dollar net difference, not 3.98 Million.
If Buffalo could find an additional $3.5 million to sign McKissic or Howard on top of the $2.43 million ROFR tender to Bates, how could it not find the $1.5 million to offer a second round tender in the first place? That makes no sense. They found $3.5 million more already. 1.53 < 3.5 and you either keep a starter on OL or get a second rounder.
In that case, Buffalo misses out on McKissic or Howard, oh well. I feel like the Howard signing was nothing more than an ego recovery move after McKissic duped OBD and resigned with Washington. Protecting my franchise QB for 480k more is more important to me than protecting my ego. I bet I can name 2 TEs in rounds 3-5 that will match or outproduce Howard next year and the year after. 14-135-1 is not that hard to beat. He will be lucky to get 30-300-2 next year. Bank it.
I would rather protect my $250 million QB with a known starting OG (and backup C) than pay a TE2 almost the same money and 'hope' he beats the Achilles odds. Seems worth the 2nd round tender to me. But what do I know?
Maybe we roll into 2022 with Ford at RG and Saffold at LG... But hey we got OJ Howard.
OJ Howard creates mismatches on the field and causes problems for the defense with him and Knox both athletic mismatches for defenses.
This has a trickle down effect for everyone else...he might not put up huge numbers but he will help create space and opportunities for others.
It's hard to really just look at stats with this team since they have a lot of players that are going to get the ball and they spread it around.
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9 minutes ago, NewEra said:
If we lose bates, we better draft a guard
Yeah but not in round 1 or 2...good guards can be found in later rounds or even as UFAs. Patriots plug and play guards all the time that way and do just fine.
1 hour ago, DrPJax said:White will be back long before December as an Acl is a 6 -8 month recovery time so Sept is a realistic period and a return in December is way off on an uncomplicated acl repair. I do think you have a valid concern but this draft is very deep at cb and I know Beane will bring in a vet or two at cb. I don’t think when drafting at 25 you are guaranteed a starting cb anyhow as we know that’s rare and Mcd doesn’t use rookies that way in his history. Should they got lucky and a top tier guy drops or they move up , they might have a shot a a plug in starter but I don’t know If they can move that high to get to the top 3 cbs. After that the talent level equals out for the next couple of rounds as I have heard draft experts mention.
I bet you end up being right tho and the Bills feel forced to draft cb In round 1, which is a shame as they could grab some really good value at wr or yes, even rb ( if hall was there at 25 ). at the end of the first round. Just thinking it goes against their philosophy of always going best available talent and goes toward filling a need that they really should address prior to the draft. It’s not like they didn’t know this was coming so it seems a little short sighted which is not like Beane at all. Still lots of FA time tho to fix things.!
White will be back but likely will need a year before he truly gets back to his normal self. From everything I have heard he is rehabbing like a maniac to get back ASAP. I expect him to not quite be as good as he normally is next year, but return to All Pro form the following year.
But Tre at 75% is still better than most CBs at 100%
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It once was when Kelly and company were playing and it is once again...
Von Miller actively recruited the Bills and let them know he wanted to come here(he was the FA Albert Breer referred to when he said at least one big name FA had his agent reach out on his behalf to the team).
OJ Howard said he is excited to be here and that players around the NFL want to come here because they know something special is being built here and they want to be a part of it.
Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson said they are back home and Phillips said he didn't miss a single game, communicated with the guys constantly and hung out with them in the offseason.
Miller said he talked to Diggs and said how he told him he loved everything about Buffalo.
Whatever the vision Beane and McDermott had for this team in terms of atmosphere, culture, on field results, etc I am not sure they could have pictured it all coming together quite like it has so quickly.
It's a testament to what they built, the fans, the city and players around the league wanting to be a part of a family atmosphere and something amazing.
I keep hearing it from multiple players so I know it has to be true but I keep having to pinch myself because I still don't think it's real...after all the years where we had to overpay and beg FAs to come here, now we have players active recruiting us to try and be a part of the team...
I don't know if we truly appreciate just how special this is yet and how players around the NFL talk glowingly about what they have heard about Buffalo and what's going on here.
I've never felt more confident that we are going to end the Super Bowl drought than I am now.
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Browns acting like little b!tches and deny the request. They are the ones who caused the issues by actively and openly trying to get Watson.
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We are almost assuredly going CB/WR in round 1 and 2, in whatever order. Will probably sign a vet also I am sure.
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34 minutes ago, Turf Toejam 34 said:
He is the best blocking WR I have ever seen at any given stretch. Miss him tons. Does he fit in the Kromer scheme?
You must not have seen Hines Ward then. Linebackers were legit afraid of him.
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Honestly I think they are building a team everyone else is going to need to beat
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On 3/16/2022 at 6:38 PM, Governor said:
Yup. Looks like we’re done to me. Not sure what else people were expecting.
Oh? Beane said "Hold My Beer"
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34 minutes ago, boater said:
Have you overlooked the supreme douche-nozzle, Tom Brady?
Brady is, actually, from all accounts a stellar person off the field. Rodgers...not so much.
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3 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:
Too smallish? He lost like 20lbs from his weight in college because that is what the Bills asked him to do.
I think he will be here and play well when given the opportunity. He will be the #3 or 4 DE (Basham will be the other). Epenesa showed significant flashes in preseason and some in the regular season despite being stuck behind 2 vets whom the coaches wanted to play out of respect.
Now, I could be wrong, but that is how I see it. He isn’t likely a starter with Miller and Rousseau ahead of him, but I think he can be a solid reserve.
Starter and backups don't really have much meaning with the way we rotate defensive linemen. He will play significant snaps most games.
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37 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
I mean....when is AJE going to get playing time?
When he earns it?
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Just now, John from Riverside said:
I have never seen a team troll their own franchise QB as much as they do Aaron Rogers
Very few franchise QBs are complete and total douchebags like he is to be fair.
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Wow!! The arms race in the AFC continues...
Wonder if Rodgers would have resigned with the Packers if he knew this was coming
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33 minutes ago, JohnNord said:
collectively no one. But he was so bad they decided to release him. Houston cut him as well. Not good signs.Sometimes it's all about who you are lining up with around you. We already know he is a good fit for what we do here. Can't say that for other places.
You'd be surprised how many times a player goes to another team and is asked to do things he isn't very good at because of the scheme they run.
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7 minutes ago, JohnNord said:
I don’t know…Shaq Lawson of 2019 would be a great signing. He hasn’t played very well the past two seasons and has been released three times over the past year. He’ll be a reserve this season so maybe the scheme will help him out. Not a bad player to have as your 5th DE
Who plays well on the Jets?
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8 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:
Fantastic rotational/depth signing. Better player than AJ.
Any word on Phillips?
Yes, he signed and the last thing he said in his press conference was: "Shaq...sign the contract"
Just now, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:This is really crazy! We went from like barely any cap to work with to signing everyone now!
That's what a few extensions, restructures and releases will do for ya...
If you think that's crazy, the Saints went from $70 million over the cap to $30 million under it without losing anyone important.
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1 minute ago, RunTheBall said:
PUTTING THE BAND BACK TOGETHER!
I’m fine with Phillips/Shaq coming back on near league minimum deals. Bet they play their hearts out now that they got paid by some other teams.
Please, oh god please BRING BACK FITZ
No...Fitz was not part of this regime...leave the past in the past with the drought era Bills
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Hell ***** yes!!!
Big Baller Beane...have yourself a week!
Exceptional edge setter and run defender
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Hell ***** yeah!!!!!
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On 3/11/2022 at 10:56 AM, SCBills said:
Really just the Breer comment about a big name player reaching out to the Bills.
That’s the only one I’ve seen.
That player was Von Miller...
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14 minutes ago, Commish said:
If we cut Star there's a cap hit and he doesn't get paid - if he retires there's no cap hit and he doesn't get paid. Doubt that he really wants to go join another team and keep playing, and I feel like he owes Beane a favor. What am I missing?
Firstly, what makes you think another team wouldn't sign him and secondly, if he is cut there is a once a career flyer a player can take to be compensated for his yearly salary he would have received before being cut, but he can only do this once in his career. Most likely he would choose to do that this year.
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5 minutes ago, whorlnut said:
Williams or Dotson in the 1st
Tariq Woolen in the 2nd
highest ranked Guard in the 3rd
After that…don’t really care.
Not sure what your intent is here, but it’s unfair to compare ACL’s today to ACLs 20 years ago. The technology and recovery times have come a long way.
I'm getting at how McGahee was only there because of the injury
What to do at CB?
in The Stadium Wall
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True but the majority of guards that are starters in the league were drafted in round 4 or later. Doubt that could be said for any other position outside of kickers or punters.