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    Coleman Route Speeds

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    FWIW, Michael Irvin wanted the Cowboys to draft him in the 1st round with their pick and said "This is what the Cowboys need, they need to go get him". But what would he know, he only played the position in the NFL

    Coleman Route Speeds

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    7 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

    And if "others jogged" and Coleman did his best, that is a data point I personally like - effort.  I think the "Go" might simulate the 60 better than the 40.

     

     

    Seems a little far-fetched that every other WR over a 2 year period would be jogging during this and Coleman would be the only one running.

    1 hour ago, fergie's ire said:

    I don't know the drill...and don't really watch combine stuff.  However, I think I understand what the poster's concern is about not jogging and running out of bounds.  It would be the equivalent to timing baseball players to see how fast they could steal second.  They would be clocked from 1st to 2nd.  Most would slide or slow up before getting to second so they don't go past the bag.  If one player just ran full out and blew by the bag, he would have the fastest time, but he did the drill wrong.  It's supposed to simulate stealing a base and if you just run past it, you'd be out in a game.  The poster is saying that in the drill Coleman ran the point is to not go out of bounds (so players slow up to prevent from doing so) but by Coleman blowing past the sidelines he gets a faster time but does not accomplish the goal of the drill.

     

    So I am supposed to believe that Coleman's fastest time for any WR in 2 years is only because every other WR doing this drill over the last 2 years simply jogged, but he ran full speed? That seems beyond the bounds of reason.

    Logic's Buffalo Bills Draft Review -- The more things change, the more they stay the same

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    14 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

    Samuel is not a wr2 and Cook is no where a star if he can't catch a routine throw.  But I do like the idea of diversity considering there's not one receiver to scheme against defensively. This should play somewhat to our advantage. I'll keep an open mind regarding Coleman but he wasn't on my top 10 list.

     

    Samuel is for people that don't think a WR #2 is a 1st round top 15 pick like some teams have that are #2 in name only.

    Post Draft Super Bowl Odds Bills are still very high

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    44 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

    Ravens had best record in AFC last season and made the AFCCG.  They’ve seemingly had a good offseason too, whereas we’ve cut a lot of vets and have a lot more unknowns heading into next season.  Totally reasonable for Ravens to have lower odds, even though we could be just as good as them or better when games start getting played.  

     

    Raven are never winning anything with Jackson there. He is the anti-Allen...

     

    The player who plays great during the regular season and disappears in the playoffs where Allen does boneheaded things at times in the regular season but is one of the best postseason QBs in NFL history.

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    Still a giant hole at saftey?

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    2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    He is GREAT covering slots and tight end near the line. It is his the thing that stands out on his tape IMO. I do think that is slightly different to the question about him as a centre fielder. He has the physical attributes to do it. His tape isn't as good there though for me. That isn't me saying he sucks at it or anything to be clear. But personally I think as a rookie he is better served in the Poyer role than the Hyde one.

     

    Fair...but I think with the quality of coaching he gets with the DBs here he easily could develop that...

     

    I think this dude is gonna be a straight baller within 2-3 years.

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    Rd 4, Pick 128: RB Ray Davis, Kentucky

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    23 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

    I'm not saying that Davis is going to take over for Cook. As far as I'm concerned Cook has earned starting as our focal point.

     

    But Cook isn't a bell cow. Johnson was good in a pinch but there were a bunch of times down the stretch where Murray was the passing RB option and the result was pretty abysmal. David is worth a shot just to avoid that.

     

    Cook was 4th in the NFL in rushing and 5th in total yards from scrimmage. Confused why so many here seem to think he is just a whatever player...he is a major cog in this offense now.

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    Still a giant hole at saftey?

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    2 hours ago, DC Grid said:

    It seems like the Bills keep getting the same guy at safety.  Namely an in the box safety.  Cole Bishop is now the 3rd in the box guy they’ve signed up for next year as Rapp and Edwards are also in the box safeties.  So who on the roster can play deep center?  Poyer was a phenomenal in the box saftey and they’ve replaced him in triplicate, but Hyde was a great center fielder (who had lost a step) and there doesn’t seem to be anyone on the roster who can even come close to filling this void.  I realize there are a couple of other guys on the roster like Hamlin but none of these guys have ever put anything on tape that merits consideration as a starter at any position. This all seems particularly troubling in a league where the top teams all have great deep options that will run wild if the Bills don’t have a dependable deep center.  

     

    Well if that's true then why did Kincaid say that Bishop usually got the better of him in Coverage in practice?

     

    According to you he would be getting smoked one on one?

     

    I think you should actually go watch film of the player and stop reading media representations. Your assessment is WAY off with Bishop. He is super athletic and runs a 4.45 40, and can pretty much do it all

    Logic's Buffalo Bills Draft Review -- The more things change, the more they stay the same

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    17 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

    I really hope something is done at WR June 1st.  Josh has got to be frustrated as hell by now, I mean what else can this kid do? I do like Coleman and think he can be damn good, but what if he isn't.  I don't get not swinging for the fences, or at least taking the GB Route like you said.  Its almost like this draft was a FU to the fans, to the "experts" and media.

     

    We dumped Diggs which was  needed and we didn't pay Davis which I agree with, but we haven't done anything but take 1 WR and sign Samuel.  I guess thats all the help they are going to give Josh.  So much for the BS at the combine etc, about getting more explosive.

     

    I think the Bills have a pretty diverse skill set of offensive weapons now and I think it's going to be pick your poison defending them with different players being the "go to guy" in different games depending on what other teams do on D and how they play them.

     

    Kincaid is going to be a star and matchup nightmare.

     

    Cook is already close to a star and matchup nightmare.

     

    Shakir was coming on strong and is going to likely take a huge step this year.

     

    Knox is still solid even tho he had a down year.

     

    Samuel is a solid #2 and provides quickness and speed and is a YAC chewer upper 

     

    Coleman is a big bodied WR that is open when he isn't open that can box out defenders like he was playing basketball and should be a big red zone target initially.

     

    Davis is going to be a great change of pace back along with Ty Johnson who just always made stuff happen every time he touched the ball.

     

    I think people are underestimating the offense. I don't think much changes in terms of scoring ability.

     

    Plus we still have Josh Allen who more often than not can make something out of nothing and make your jaw drop 

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    Rd 4, Pick 128: RB Ray Davis, Kentucky

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    17 hours ago, MJS said:

    Who said 40 times aren't relevant? They are. They just aren't everything.

     

    40 times can be greatly influenced simply by not being a good starter from the blocks.

     

    I posted up thread about Coleman perhaps being the worst starter out of the blocks I have ever seen for a WR and instead of driving forward out of the blocks to gain speed and accelerate, he literally stands straight up which causes him to hitch and slow down and then he has to re-accelerate again.

     

    Compare him to Worthy and you'll see what I mean. Worthy stays low coming out and accelerates thru to a standing up position. Coleman stands straight up almost which slows him down.

     

    It's not natural for a WR to get down in a sprinter stance coming off the line. It's natural for a player that has run track like Worthy and likely done it hundreds or thousands of times over and over again. 

     

    Coleman lost .2 seconds just on his bad start and it reminded me a lot of Josh Allen's 40...he did the same thing. But look at Allen running away from DBs in the open field...would anyone say he is slow?

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    Beane: "This team is in transition"

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    16 hours ago, HappyDays said:

    This quote from Beane defines the entire draft strategy:

     

    He is giving it to us straight. The Bills are in a rebuild year. So he went for all team captains. Guys that interviewed well. Guys that he believes set a new foundation of leadership in the building. He hunted for short term needs that fit the singular character profile he and McDermott feel comfortable with, at the expense of talent at premium positions. And he is telling the fanbase to temper our expectations without coming right out and saying it.

     

    I'm not gonna grade a draft until we see how all the players turn out, but the overall philosophy shown this weekend is deflating and uninspiring.

     

    Not rebuild. Reload.

    For those that don’t like the Coleman pick

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    2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

     

    I don't understand this "Coleman is a big slot" thing at all.

     

    1) I read he played the majority of his offensive snaps at the X in Florida

    2) we are already overloaded with guys at WR who are at their best from the slot, why ever would Beane draft a WR with our top pick if he thought he was a slot?

    3) Beane has unambiguously said, Coleman will be playing the X in the Bills offense

    My guess is that the Bills feel that he has the physical tools to refine his route running, because of his basketball background, and that is something they can "coach up" more easily than coaching up reliable hands or the timing to high-point balls.

    One thing I'm about as positive as I can be is Beane is correct, he plays faster than his combine speed.  I could see it in the gauntlet drill at the combine; somewhere it was posted he reached 21 mph by GPS.

     

    Yes, the fastest gauntlet time of any WR in the past 2 years.

    Rd 5, Pick 168: Edge Javon Solomon, Troy

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    10 minutes ago, boyst said:

    Stupid as hell. This roster won't have 5th and 6th rounders on it.

     

    Inb4 _______ was a 6th rounder.

     

    Christian Benford was a 6th round pick.

     

    Khalil Shakir was a 5th round pick.

     

    Don't know who is going to turn into good players or not at this stage but the Bills seem to have a knack for finding the later round players that contribute 

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    Coleman = Benjamin, Davis = Moss - Beane players

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    6 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

    Beane has a real tendency for a certain type of player.

    Ray Davis is a  Zack Moss clone

    Coleman isn't too far off from Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess.

     

    None of those guys panned out.

     

    Seems Beane consistently under values speed in skill players.  I was hoping we'd come out of this draft faster and more explosive on O, but instead it's more of the usual.

     

    Coleman would have been a decent replacement for Gabe. Similar skill set. Is Samuel supposed to be the Diggs replacement? Hard to see us being better on offense. 

     

    Or defense for that matter. They don't seem to have a vision or plan for getting better than the Chiefs. Feels like a reset year.

     

    Coleman is quite a ways away from those players actually

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