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On 1/23/2024 at 8:22 PM, Dablitzkrieg said:
This is pretty dumb. Imagine telling your head coach, hey, we are going to see if something better is out there. Sit tight. Why are people's brains broken?
Low IQ individuals don't have logic as their friend.
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On 7/26/2023 at 5:34 PM, The Frankish Reich said:
So we've all heard it. Josh Allen needs to change his game, become more of a pocket passer, less inclined to take off running. His longevity depends on it. Does it?
The sample is small, and many of the leaders on the yards per game board are still young and active.
But it's not promising.
Bottom line: since 2000, no true "running QB" has ever lasted as an effective starter past Age 33. [Exception: weird, inexplicable Randall Cunningham comeback at 35, but that happened in 1998.] Historically, you'd probably expect most QBs to run out of gas in their mid-30s. But we're now in the age of Brady, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, Manning(s) playing into their late 30s or 40s, and yet no actual running (not "mobile" or "scrambling" - we're talking about the guys who pull it down and take off downfield) QB has made it past 33. Many were done in their 20s.
These are the post-2000 QBs who either averaged 30 yards per game running over at least a couple seasons of starts, or who had at least one 500+ yard rushing season or multiple 400+ yard rushing seasons in their careers. (No, Rodgers and Mahomes have never had even a single 400 yard rushing season)
1. Lamar Jackson. 63.4 rushing yards per game. 26 years old. Still active. Poor injury history.
2. Justin Fields. 57.9 yards per game. 24 years old. Too soon to tell.
3. Mike Vick. 42.7 yards per game. Basically done as a starter by Age 33 season (even with missing 2 years due to suspension)
4. Jalen Hurts. 42.2 yards per game. 24. Too soon to tell.
5. Josh Allen. 40.1 yards per game. 27. Too soon to tell.
6. Kyler Murray. 38.7 yards per game. 25. Too soon to tell
7. Cam Newton. 38.0 yards per game. Effectively done as a starter by Age 30 season.
8. Colin Kaepernick. 33.3 yards per game. Effectively done as a starter by Age 28. [**Big Asterisk]
9. Robert Griffin III. 32.3 yards per game. Effectively done as a starter by Age 24. Devastating knee injury.
10. Daniel Jones. 31.6 yards per game. 26. Too soon to tell.
11. Deshaun Watson. 30.9 yards per game. 27 Too soon to tell (but not looking promising) [*Little Asterisk]
12. Randall Cunningham. 30.6 yards per game. Effectively done as a starter at 31. But then with a weird, non-running QB career year at 35. Then done again at 36.
13. Russell Wilson. 28.7 yards per game, but four 500 yard-plus rushing seasons by age 29, including one 800 yard season. Effectively done at 33 (unless there's a surprise return to form under Sean Payton?)
14. Kordell Stewart. 23 yards per game [value decreased by early "slash" years], with four 400+, one 500+ rushing seson by age 29. Done as a starter by Age 30.
15. Tyrod Taylor. 25.6 yards per game, but three 400+ and one 500+ yard rushing season with the Bills. Constant injuries since. Done as a starter by Age 28.
13. Donovan McNabb. 20.7 yards per game, but three 400+ and one 600+ yard rushing seasons by age 26. Effectively done as a starter by Age 34.
14. Steve McNair. 22.3 yards per game, but five 400+ yard, one 500+ yard, and one 600+ yard rushing seasons by age 29. Effectively done as a starter by Age 34.
15. Daunte Culpepper. 25.3 yards per game, but five 400+ seasons, one 600+ rushing season by age 27. Done as a starter by age 28.
16. Vince Young. 24.3 yards per game, but rookie season 500+ yards rushing. Done completely by age 28. [*I feel like he should get the world's tiniest asterisk, but I'm not sure why]
THE GREAT EXCEPTION
17. Steve Young (included here even though he'd retired after 1999, and was before everyone else's time). 25.1 yards per game, but four 400+yard, one 500+ yard rushing seasons by age 32. Made it all the way to Age 37 as a top-flight starter, even rushing for 454 yards that year. Like I said: The Great Exception.
Cam Newton was derailed mostly by a shoulder injury suffered in a car wreck that he never fully recovered from NOT an on-field incident.
People conveniently leave this out when discussing his decline.
Most of this is really meaningless to be honest. Allen is not any of these other players, he is Allen. He also takes far fewer hits/sacks while in the pocket than the majority of these other players and usually is the one dishing out the contact rather than absorbing it, which also helps in terms of injuries/damage.
For many of these QBs, they had major flaws as passers that were exposed once teams forced them to play from the pocket and stopped making it so easy for them to run. Defenses never had to adjust out of that because they couldn't beat them from the pocket if they were forced too. Allen can. Wilson was forced out of the only "system" he ever knew and forced to run a system that was ill suited for his abilities. He went from being allowed wide ranging improvisational and off-schedule creating capabilities to being forced to play within structure and on-schedule. He was terrible last year, but honestly decent this year, finishing with 26 TDs, 8 INTs and a 98 QB Rating this year despite being benched mainly for contractual reasons.
Convenient you leave out John Elway(who many DC's say Allen is a much bigger, faster, stronger version of), and who played in a much rougher era, absorbed far more hits and played well into his late 30s, winning his two Super Bowls towards the end of his career.
Same for Fran Tarkenton who played until he was 38 and was one of the "original" running QBs. Again in a much rougher era and with no protections afforded like today's QBs get.
This is a model example of how the selective use of statistics can show anything you want to and you can come up with something you want to "prove" and then do so using them in a certain way to back your points but leaving out anything that detracts from them. The saying "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics" was created for you, my good Sir.
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Ben Johnson reportedly wanted $15 million a year and teams balked so he stayed put.
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My God...last time Mac Jones took his spot, now Minshew? What a joke this is becoming.
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1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said:
Your opinion right now, they have not got it done and this was huge missed opportunity. You would think your 20 mllion dollar receiver would be able to close the game out and he drops perfectly thrown pass and then Allen just ignores him on underneath pass on final drive
He didn't ignore him, he threw what would have been a TD pass to a wide open player in the end zone but had his LT pushed into his other shoulder which cause the throw to end up short of the target.
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18 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:
The organization did the right thing promoting both Brady & Babich. I honestly don't know alot about either gut other than a half year of playcalling from Joe. Continuity is important. But I think most fans will agree the regular season is not the problem. And the wild card round usually goes our way assuming we're not facing Joe or Patrick. But once the divisionals start, we all rightfully start freaking out. How do we stop these 2 guys?
Babich helped have 3 All-Pros in Hyde, Poyer and Milano when he coached safety and LB...and also helped Bernard blossom into having one of the best all-around LB seasons since Seth Joyner in 1991.
How will he do calling plays? No clue...but he clearly gets the most out of what he has
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Troy Franklin please please please
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Smart move. You don't lose good coaches to promotions to other teams when you have a promotion in house you can give him.
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30 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:
We you lose you lose, you don't get style points. We can't beat them in the playoffs
We can, we just haven't yet.
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6 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:
Right, they could have another 2 Superbowls, who cares they are kicking our butts and we have won nothing for all these crazy contracts Beanne has handed out
Are they really kicking our butts?
The games for all intents and purposes are essentially even every time we play them with multiple lead changes and a few plays here or there determining the winner and the game coming down to the final possession.
Unfortunately our victories have come in the regular season while theirs have come in the postseason.
To claim they are "kicking our butt" is not only not true, it borders on nonsensical.
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2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:
I don't know about you, but the parallels between last night's game hit a little bit too close to home for me. To me it seemed inevitable that Detroit was going to lose that game as SF started battling back. There was nothing Detroit could do, they were going to choke.
We have seen it ourselves. A well rounded team with an explosive offense and a good defense comes out of nowhere and shocks the league. That was us in 2020, and like Detroit we almost rode that wave all the way to the Superbowl. "We'll be back next year" echoed many of the Detroit Lions faithful. Don't be so sure.
For whatever reason, Detroit, Cleveland, and Buffalo are all eerily similar. Rust belt cities that have been down on their luck for the past 50+ years or so. We also share a common geographic feature...Lake Erie. Is it something in the water? Could it be a native American curse? Or just a coincidence? You decide!
Man I don't know...Detroit Pistons and Tigers have both won championships.
Cleveland Cavs won a championship and then the Indians...err...Guardians went to the World Series and had a 3-1 lead before losing 4-3, almost getting a double dip on Championships in the same year...
Buffalo has the...Bandits...but at least they have won like 5 Championships, including last year.
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A conditional 7th round pick in 2055.
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Will be interesting to see how much he changes with a full year and off-season to do install work.
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Oh man...I am so sorry for your loss. I pray for her, for you and that I never have to find the strength you seem to have in my lifetime.
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17 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:
I don't see because they have so many very good young players on rookie deals and their offence will improve during the offseason. Bills and Beane have uphill battle because cap and so many bad contracts
Wait til they have to extend all those key first and second year players on D at the same time.
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Purdy is going to be exposed badly.
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4 hours ago, That's No Moon said:
His clock is ticking and if Brady as OC means a return to a permanent increase in his running the clock speeds up.
Not really. Cam Newton's career was derailed mostly from a car crash that caused the shoulder injury he never got right from not on field stuff. He also got hit far, far more than Allen.
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I always watch it. No question about it
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7 minutes ago, section122 said:
If you want McD gone you have to think that Harbaugh needs to go too right?
After all no hc qb combo has won a sb after 5 years together.
After all he is 1-2 as the 1 seed since 2019.
After all he is 2-4 in the postseason since 2018.
After all he has only made it to 1 afc championship with one of the most electric qbs in the game.
After all he has a 2 time mvp qb and has only won 1 division title in the last 4 years.
After all he has lost to a washed up philip rivers and ryan tannehil in the playoffs!
After all he has a 1-3 playoff record at home since 2018.
So if you wamt McD gone for underperforming and losing to the chiefs 3 of 4 years certainly you think Harbaugh is trash and needs to go to right?
The Bills and McD have outperformed them over the last 6 years and the Ravens have the benefit of the mvp and 3 first team all pros this year vs the Bills single 2nd team all pro yet still lost to the same team at home as the Bills did.
Or does a super bowl 11 years ago followed by a single afc title game appearance this year carry that much water?
Recent history and performance clearly favors McD so I am very interested to hear opinions of Harbaugh and whether he should keep his job or be fired.
His electric QB is dreadful in the playoffs. Some people step up when their team needs them most, others step back. Lamar steps back like 5 steps, not one.
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Well...the problem with this argument is the Bills have led the NFL in point differential by an absurd margin since the beginning of 2020. Like so far ahead it's not even close.
If teams with all this "top end talent" are getting steamrolled so often by the Bills then what is that saying?
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1 minute ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:
It was… but that damn word “almost”!
If we are gonna roll with McD then I hope to hell we get some playmakers for Josh and stay healthy next year.
They need to dedicate the draft to high end skill players on offense and let McD figure it out on D.
He is able to do a lot with less, do there is no need to spend high picks on that side of the ball. Allen needs to be surrounded by high end skill players so it makes it impossible to shut everything down.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
I believe he’s a better play caller than Brady. It’ll be interesting to to see how he does. Browns are talented.
Dorsey doesn't understand how to put plays together successfully in a drive sense.
Its like a DJ who just plays hit song after hit song without understanding how to sequence them properly for best effect.
Sure, you might have some good content but how you put it together matters a lot.
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All in all I'd rather have the guy who play his ass off in the playoffs like Allen than Lamar who had one good playoff game ever and then followed it up with another mostly stinker
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7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
I came into the game thinking the 49ers would be the only team capable of beating the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. But now I'm thinking the Lions could do it. Ben Johnson vs Steve Spagnuolo is a heavyweight fight. I just wonder if the Lions defense is talented enough to slow the Chiefs down?
They already beat them once this year
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