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21 minutes ago, FormerLV-BILLS said:
I'm sorry, but that's crap. Also unscientific. I realize that. At the same time, who the hell else in the NFL thinks that running the ball in this era is better than having a strong passing attack. And to make it look even dumber, lets minimize the skills of a 6'4", 240 pound, 29 year old MVP QB while we are at it. This is the dumbest ish I've ever seen. How about loading up your QB AND keep feeding Cook? That'd be cool, no?
As bad as the defense has been, letting the team down in the playoffs, the offense too, which has been prolific has failed in crunch time. They've had the ball with chances late in games and stalled. Multiple times in big end of game situations. Period. That's fact.
Why'd they stall? Because when you need sure fire talent to make plays in crucial situations, sooner or later, talent is needed. And the Bills offense has failed.
I don't give a crap if they steamroll their division, and all the crap that they run up their numbers against garbage in the regular season. It's worthless. That's a given with a QB as generational as Allen is.
Can they do it when it counts? And the answer lately is a big fat NO. Who are we counting on to make the big play, when stars are all over the field on both teams with a chance to go to the Superbowl? Late in the 4th quarter. 4th and 6. Need a play from someone other than Allen.
Coleman? Samuel? Kincaid? Remember, Kincaid had his chance to be special at the end of the game last year, and failed. First round pick, couldn't make the clutch slightly above average catch. Fact. Who else, Shavers? Knox? Is Cook going to run it for 7 yards on a 4th down and 6?
Who's going to make the play?
It's as simple as that. You can throw the offensive numbers crap out the door at that point, because they mean squat. You need an Alpha. Everybody eats crap is high school stuff. Time to grow up and get some studs, even if they buck "culture" a bit.
Have a pair Beane and McDermott and go for it one friggin time.
This isn't difficult. Our WRs suck, and it hurts our team big time.
This is the Josh Palmer I thought we were getting...I have no idea WTF Brady is doing with him. He essentially has neutered him.
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3 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:
I agree this is the offence McD wants. We will find out whether he is right on February 8th when we play the Seahawks in the Super Bowl.
Darnold will implode in the playoffs. They will be out in the first round again.
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2 minutes ago, FormerLV-BILLS said:
I'm sorry, but that's crap. Also unscientific. I realize that.
As bad as the defense has been, letting the team down in the playoffs, the offense too, which has been prolific has failed in crunch time. They've had the ball with chances late in games and stalled. Multiple times in big end of game situations. Period. That's fact.
Why'd they stall? Because when you need sure fire talent to make plays in crucial situations, sooner or later, talent is needed. And the Bills offense has failed.
I don't give a crap if they steamroll their division, and all the crap that they run up their numbers against garbage in the regular season. It's worthless. That's a given with a QB as generational as Allen is.
Can they do it when it counts? And the answer lately is a big fat NO. Who are we counting on to make the big play, when stars are all over the field on both teams with a chance to go to the Superbowl? Late in the 4th quarter. 4th and 6. Need a play from someone other than Allen.
Coleman? Samuel? Kincaid? Remember, Kincaid had his chance to be special at the end of the game last year, and failed. First round pick, couldn't make the clutch slightly above average catch. Fact. Who else, Shavers? Knox? Is Cook going to run it for 7 yards on a 4th down and 6?
Who's going to make the play?
It's as simple as that. You can throw the offensive numbers crap out the door at that point, because they mean squat. You need an Alpha. Everybody eats crap is high school stuff. Time to grow up and get some studs, even if they buck "culture" a bit.
Have a pair Beane and McDermott and go for it one friggin time.
This isn't difficult. Our WRs suck, and it hurts our team big time.
They need their defense to not be 2 TDs worse against KC in the playoffs than they are in the regular season on average. That's what they need.
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8 minutes ago, FormerLV-BILLS said:
This is really unscientific and I'm really ready to take the heat for it. No stats to back it up. Just my eyeballs, and being at games watching. But I know what would really make our team use our receivers more, and in the correct role. IF WE ACTUALLY HAD ONE THAT WAS WORTH A CRAP.
Why is it so hard to see, or to admit, that our receviers blow? It's not any of our faults. Most of them, for one reason or another, always have, and always will kinda suck. Shakir would be a beast next to a real #1.
This isn't thesis level complicated. At least I feel better now.
That's not the way they choose to operate. They lead the NFL in offense. Just because you don't like the way they operate, doesn't make them wrong.
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2 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:
Imagine how we would feel if we weren't one of the league leaders in points scored year after year
It wasn't that long ago that we were vehemently complaining about the lack of a run game under Dorsey and losing winnable games
It wasn't that long ago that we were vehemently complaining about being too pass-happy under Daboll and losing winnable games
For those that want the Chan Gailey offense again, please remember how those defenses performed
I actually believe this team has been designed in a super smart way by Brandon Beane
In the era we are now in for the foreseeable future where you're paying your QB top dollar, you can't field a SB caliber roster without saving money at other positions
WR is increasingly proving to be a position where teams aren't getting the bang for their buck, or the production doesn't equal the $$ commitment
But TE's are a lot cheaper. So are RB's, even the best ones like Cook
And it all gets unlocked with having a premium OL like we have.
So complain all you want about not having WR's with big stats. I'll take what we have right now any day.
But the more important part is that so will McDermott and Beane
I'm not complaining that they don't have a #1 WR. I agree it's by design. I am more complaining that they are not maximizing what they DO have in a way that would be helpful to them and not make certain situations and games more difficult than they need to be, or cause failures in situations where they could do something else and succeed.
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3 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
Gabe one of the best deep ball WRs in the NFL and yet wasn’t even on a current roster prior to coming back. Maybe true a few years ago, but seems his skilled have regressed. Or he is just unlucky.
I do agree about Elijah Moore. I think he needs to be utilized more. They are force feeding Keon Coleman hoping he can put it together. The issue was never his speed. He plays smaller than he is when he should be utilizing his size and box out basketball skills. From every video i’ve seen, he has been a different player than the one at FSU.
He was injured and is coming off knee surgery. He played with the injury last year until he couldn't anymore and it required surgery at that point and he had made it worse than it was initially.
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5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
And honestly I'd like them to triple down. We tried opening up the pass against Atlanta and it went horribly. New England is our only opponent this year that has really managed to shut down our run. Other than that when we commit to Cook being the identity of our offense that is when we look our best. I'm not interested in getting any of these WRs more targets other than maybe Palmer when he's healthy. The offensive gameplan against KC was ideal - feed Cook, funnel the pass game through the TEs, pepper in some PA out of multiple TE sets, spam screens to Shakir and the RBs. If you consistently do all that, then you'll get the occasional downfield pass to a WR like we had to Moore because the defense is over committing elsewhere. I hope Brady keeps leaning into that identity because it's what our personnel is built to do. Forget all of the outside noise about the passing game. Commit to our strengths and live with the result.
But even in the Pats game the issue was more that Allen was just mentally way off...had happy feet, bailed from clean pockets where if he waited a half second longer guys were coming wide open, wasn't taking wide open rush lanes in front of him and would force passes instead. Most of all there were multiple times he had easy layups that he has been taking for the past year and a half that he just refused to take and was looking downfield. That was right after the media were pressing him and Brady about why are they never throwing downfield and it almost seemed like they wanted to "show them" instead of just playing the way they normally did which might not be sexy, but almost always works.
I'm not sure what it is but for whatever reason, Allen and the Bills in general seem to have a 2 game stretch every year in mid October where they look completely out of sorts and like they forgot how to play football. Then we never see it again. Last year it was against Baltimore and Houston back to back...
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40 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Sure get him some targets out of the slot, just understand we're not talking Cole Beasley in his prime here. And that still doesn't solve the overarching problem with this passing offense which is that we have no one who you can plant outside the numbers and expect him to separate consistently. Palmer is ideally a WR3 but he is the best option we have for that role so our only solution is get him healthy and hope that that is enough.
Yeah, I am not talking about we have to find solutions for problems we don't have solutions for...I am simply wanting them to use the solutions we DO have to fix other issues.
IMO, the offense chooses to eliminate needing a WR1 by it's design in most cases. I think we need to just accept that they have decided to choose a different way of getting it done than most teams do and although we might not agree with it, it's extremely effective as they are one of the most efficient teams on offense since they have done it, lead the NFL in offense and have averaged over 30 points a game the last 1.5 years, which is the best in franchise history.
Most teams are looking to get 300 yards passing and 100 yards rushing to get to 400 yards of offense while the Bills are perfectly happy to have 165 yards rushing and 235 yards passing to get to 400 yards. But they also have the Ace up their sleeve of allowing Allen to be Allen if and when it ever requires that, which is usually only a few times a game.
Essentially, protects Allen from himself, lengthens the "peak" years of his career by him taking less physical punishment and sets him up to excel from the pocket once his movement skills decline some.
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17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Benford is concerning. He was limited with a groin injury yesterday and McDermott hadn't brought him up before practice, so that makes you think he got injured during practice. Now DNP today.
Not worried about the secondary...we've had far worse against the Fins when they had Prime Hill and Waddle and shut them down, they can do it with lesser talent and no Hill now.
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1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:
They certainly aren’t optimizing the available talent in the passing game, should they improve in this category the offense will take a step up,
Which should terrify the NFL since they are the #1 offense already
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2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Moore struggles badly with physical coverage. As a result he is not a great first read option because he is often getting chucked out of his route stem. If you can get him a free release yeah he can get open but you also have to be mindful of his small catch radius. He's just generally a low margin for error type of WR which is why two teams in a row have let him walk and he was still available to be signed after the draft. I think his target share right now is exactly where it should be.
Then get him in more stacked/bunch formations or have him in motion at the snap...eliminates that problem immediately.
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12 minutes ago, milfandcookies said:
shows up against us though
seems like we were pretty awesome when Allen was throwing to Diggs
This backwards pass stuff and tush push offense kinda sucks
Wait til the playoffs when he disappears when you need him most. And that game was more about Allen refusing to take layups, bailing from clean pockets constantly and having happy feet. He was just off...no different than he has been at some point in mid October for 2 games in a row his entire career it seems, then course corrects and we never see it again. Last year it was Baltimore and Houston.
9 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:
Tony Gonzalez used to be a TD machine too. Guys get older and slower.Knox is 28...are we really going to start claiming that players in their 20s are now declining from age?
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32 minutes ago, milfandcookies said:
Never shoulda gotten rid of Diggs that was dumb
Diggs was not being utilized the last half of the year, plus he never shows up against KC in the playoffs. He also got rid of himself.
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4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
Elijah Moore averaged 60 receptions for the last two seasons with QB’s in Cleveland. For him not to have really any production here is weird.
He gets open. He has speed. He has good hands.
I think Brady overthinks and doesn’t take the obvious.
Palmer and Moore should have good production in this offense.
He was even decent with the Jets when they started using him... I mean the guy has had revolving trashcans at QB his whole career and the least production is with Allen??
Makes no sense.
1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:I had to look it up….Palmer caught 5 passes in Week One, and since then the most he’s had is TWO. Now come on!
He got hurt early in the 2nd quarter against the Falcons. He caught a 40 yard bomb on the first play of the game and then caught a nice 20ish yard pass for a first down where he got pulled backwards on the tackle and hurt his knee...
Clearly they had a plan to use him more in that game and I'm thinking he will have his usage ramp up.
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9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
As I mentioned in the multi page Shaheed thread….its an absolute shame/travesty that they just spent millions to bring in Palmer only to have him become a virtual afterthought. Isn’t he supposed to be Josh’s WR2?
Palmer was starting to come on in that Falcons game and then got hurt...excited to see if that continues once he is back.
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2 minutes ago, T.E. said:
Knox had 20 receiving TDs his first four seasons at the TE position. Chris Olave, who most Bills fans coveted to fix this offense, has 13 TDs over the same time period as his team's #1 WR.
Don't act like Knox wasn't somewhat effective before Brady took the playcalling reigns.
Knox had a lot of key TD in high leverage situations in big games against KC and also in late drives to give them the lead.
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1 minute ago, NoSaint said:
love any mismatches, but WR4 winning against CB4 is usually more of a nice added feature than a focal point of sustainable successMy point is that those players can be used in those roles more often, but they choose to use Shavers and Coleman instead, which are obviously due to their run game blocking and I get it...
The point I am trying to make is that we have shifted too far in one direction with it and need to be balanced, especially at the times when the defense has answers, which isn't often, but does happen. All too often, it seems their plan it to simply double down.
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1 minute ago, NoSaint said:
I think two things can be true- they need better receivers but haven’t fully optimized what they have
I honestly think they have enough if they just used them better. Moore or Samuel against most CB4's should win.
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More and more what I am starting to believe is this team has enough at the WR spot and is just misusing them.
There is no way you can tell me all of the following players under Brady who have shown the ability to get deep and make plays downfield before and after they have been here just suddenly forgot how to play WR and do that here:
- Stefon Diggs (had a phenomenal start to season under Dorsey with multiple 100+ yard games then went mostly silent under Brady)
- MVS (couldn't utilize his deep speed or chose not to then goes to NO after being cut and has multiple weeks in a row I am watching in game updates of him catching 50+ yard TD passes)
- Elijah Moore (always productive even with revolving trashcans throwing to him over his career, 4.3 speed, open a LOT in this offense downfield)
- Josh Palmer (saw plenty of highlights with Herbert targeting and connecting on deep balls with him)
- Gabe Davis (one of the best deep ball WR's in the NFL)
Probably some others...
Some of this is intentional as Brady prioritizes ball-control, clock-control offense where you take layups over and over again, minimize TOs, run the ball down the other teams throats and then rely on a handful of Allen plays a game to usually win comfortably.
I believe this is also intentional on the way McD wants to play because it limits our TOs, we are super efficient at scoring points and TDs, it limits the opponent possessions meaning they have to score more efficiently than they typically do to keep up and we also are good at taking the ball away many times which further limits their possessions.
All that is good and makes logical sense. But this STILL doesn't excuse the complete ignoring all too often of using what you have to attack the intermediate areas of the field to throw a barrage of short passes.
Take this example in the Chiefs game:
Moore is WIDE OPEN in the deep middle and if Allen hits him in stride it's at least another 5-10 yards on top of that. What happens? He checks it down to Hawes, who is equally open, but the pass goes awry and it's incomplete...and it's not this one example I am harping on to be clear...Allen was awesome in the Chiefs game. It's the Bills intentionally choose not to make themselves more versatile too often when they don't need to, almost as if they take pride in telling the D "here is what we are going to do, now come and stop us." Most times they can't, but sometimes they can and I don't think they have properly developed their answer to when that happens in critical moments and they are far too slow to shift to it when it DOES happen in those moments.
My thoughts are that Moore needs to be playing a bigger role in this offense and Coleman needs to be playing a lesser one. Palmer needs to be getting some of these type of routes (which, to be fair, he started to in the ATL game before getting hurt). Currently it seems the only person they use on these outside of Moore every so often, is Kincaid, which is great, but it's like c'mon...let's open it up a little here when we need to. I mean even Samuel showed he has the ability in the Broncos playoff game where he took a deep over to the house and smoke DPOY Surtain...
Maybe they are saving it for the playoffs when they need it, but IMO at this point, I think it's mismanaging who they ALREADY HAVE at WR more than them needing another WR that is the bigger problem.
Bills seemingly favoring the bigger WRs that help them in run blocking and trying to prevent giving "tells" to the other team that we are passing by bringing in Moore and Samuel instead of Coleman and Shavers but at some point you have to be willing to give up a little in what you do amazingly well to add to the passing game.
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Just now, Psautcsk said:
Should and will are 2 different things.
Is there a reason we are acting like the Bills are some "iffy" team all of a sudden that actually loses these type of games all the time instead of wins them 90% of the time?
They have a record of 32-7 after the bye week since 2020...I'd put my stock in that. It shows they somewhat pace themselves early in the year and then slowly press the accelerator down as the year goes on.
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15 hours ago, DapperCam said:
This is slightly off topic, but Allen definitely deserved AFC OPOTW over Lamar. They had almost identical stats, Lamar just got a higher passer rating because his TDs were through the air instead of on the ground (and he had one more in garbage time).
The Dolphins basically quit on that Thursday night game after halftime, while the Chiefs were playing for their season potentially.I mean Allen's performance was against one of the best D's in the NFL and Lamar's against one of the worst...so of course, they'll give it to Lamar...
But don't worry, Allen has racked up half of his AFC OPOTW awards against the Fins, so there is always this week...
34 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:Bad teams can be dangerous teams. We already played them once and it was much closer than most thought it should've been.
The Bills sometimes have the problem of playing to the level of their competition and not being able to put teams away.
Not saying that's going to happen here, but they still need to bring their A game.
Miami was a mess the second half of the Ravens game last week and appeared to have mailed it in. Let's hope the Bills can put them away quickly and get some rest for some of these guys who are nursing injuries.
Usually the Bills play one close game against them and one blowout. Last year the blowout came in Miami.
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That's crazy...RIP
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4 hours ago, Pete said:
Except when it counts. Last two painful playoff exit takeaways- Dalton dropping the ball. Diggs dropping the ball.
It's still on the D in the playoffs. Their numbers against the Chiefs on average are better in the playoffs on O and 2 TDs worse on D.
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Bills don't "need" a WR, they need to use the ones they have better
in The Stadium Wall
Posted · Edited by Big Turk
You realize we lead the NFL in offense and are 3rd in scoring at 29+ points a game, as well as top 5 in virtually every other metric across the board, right?
We also lead the NFL in explosive plays, defined as a pass play of 20+ yards or a run play of 10+ yards with 44 and are the only team in the NFL to average more than 5 of those per game.
You seem to either be in the twilight zone where you aren't actually watching what's going on, or simply not paying attention to what is happening with other teams in comparison.