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2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
If it’s of lower positional value then why would Beane spend a high 1st rounder and 3rd on Edmunds? The MLB has a ton of importance in this defense and fans better get used to there being significantly more passes completed down the middle of the field. Buffalo just had too many needs to draft his replacement. If Jack Campbell was there then it might have been different. I fully expect them to go MLB in the first 2 rounds next year.
A lot changed in the 5 years since that pick was made. In 2018 they could afford a RD1 MLB on his rookie deal but not as a pending UFA after his contract expired.
This happens every time Buffalo loses a UFA...fans lose their stuff because a known entity and/or high pick isn't at certain positions. I attribute it to fans getting almost everything they wanted for years and now seeing a team up against the cap having to make choices.
Besides, why aren't you trusting the process? Why are you doubting McBeane and their brand of football? After all, you're not the GM, amirite?
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1 hour ago, Rico said:
Fun fact: Did you know EJ had better stats than Josh Allen in their rookie years?
That's because EJ had Nate Hackett's "easy" playbook down by mini-camp.
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Trust the process?
Or rather, believe that MLB is of lower positional value, that Edmunds' value was significantly overrated by TBD, and that knowing the defense and being instinctive is more important than having top-end physical talent with low-end instincts.
I'm amazed at how many people are doubting McD now. Trust the process!
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1 hour ago, billsbackto81 said:
His numbers are comparable to Zay Jones who signed a 3 yr/ 24 million dollar deal. As a GM I'd love for Gabe to take that deal.
I'd doubt he would sign that considering a healthy season catching balls from JA17 could net him a much more lucrative deal. If he puts up a 1k season with more consistent hands he's looking at 15mil per.
Beane can't do that.
Agreed. It's not like his QB is Mac Jones or Baker Mayfield. If he bets on himself and stays healthy he's gonna cash in.
If Zay Jones' production is the standard for WR2, then that's doing JA a huge disservice and means they're still behind KC and CIN offensively.
My concern is OBD considers the offense having received their share of investment with Kincaid selected in RD1. Or, that they can keep spending on their own guys.
Around here, re-signing their own gets a lot of props, but it's not always what's best for the team...on the field and the cap. Buffalo needs to keep investing high picks on offense at WR to find a contributor on their rookie contract. Davis is the kind of guy you jettison looking for a replacement with better potential.
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5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Passer ratings when targeted in 2022:
Juju 102.5
Gabe 80.8
Every time Allen threw the ball to Gabriel Davis it made him look like a drastically worse passer than he is. He really dragged Allen down almost singlehandedly.
Do I really need to say much more? These players were not comparably effective.
I read this post and the one below and wonder how can people be watching the same player.
And then, at this point, have to consider if/when Davis plays to the level he has how it affects the offense? Is Kincaid now being targeted more and expected to shoulder a bigger load as a rookie? The low-end UFA targets Harty and Sheffield getting more targets?
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Belichick going full Kenny Powers now. Went from being the guy who could get Randy Moss on the cheap and being a UFA destination to this.
Next thing you know, he'll be making appearances at car dealerships.
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This guy is reporting, as a Denver Broncos related show host so maybe there's an attempt to lodge Diggs loose.
Or this guy is throwing crap against the wall. Probably the latter.
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2 hours ago, Mango said:
You are moving the goal posts.
My OP that you were responding to was that being correct doesn't excuse bad behavior.
You said I was obtuse and to not compare it to desk jobs with low expectations.
I said I wasn't, I am pretty qualified to talk about high level team building and construction.
Now you want me to explain Diggs beef.
I fully stand by the fact that being "right" is rarely a good excuse for being a distraction in team sport. Especially on high level teams competing for world championships.Diggs' dissent needs to be understood and no one really knows right now what it's all about.
That is, unless individual players are always wrong and management is always correct. And if that's the case you are obtuse. McD and his staff should always be under the microscope right along with players.
As for team building, I thought McD's "process" solved all team ills. After all, this is the franchise that settled on Diggs when Antonio Brown made it know he wouldn't play in Buffalo. So, roster construction often defers to pure talent.
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27 minutes ago, Mango said:
I am not being obtuse. I was specifically speaking to athletics. But thanks....
I am not referencing desk jockey's. I am talking about real life world championship sports; a topic I am well qualified to speak on.
Tell us what Diggs' beef with the front office/McD/Josh/ownership is. That goes a long way toward understanding why, 3 years in, his attitude has apparently changed.
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1 hour ago, Mango said:
No it doesn't. The entire synopsis is that when Diggs doesn't get what he wants he causes a scene like a toddler. This isn't how good teammates behave. It just isn't.
Stop being obtuse. This isn't a 40-hour per week email job where expectations are low already. Nor is it an arena that everyone should sing kum-ba-ya now that last season is over and just hop on the 2023 Process train. WR's do diva-esque things occasionally, but until we know for sure what happened, this is normie posturing.
Stefon isn't a choir boy by any means...but it's so TBD for people to attack the player first and not question the events which led to the situation. 3 seasons of no issues until that playoff game and it's all on him? Yeah.
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Could be Diggs' agent. Might not be...who knows? Who cares?
As someone who's been on TBD some time, I have seen the attention paid to the NFL grow exponentially over the past 10-15 years. Now, threads garner 100+ pages in a day or 2 and this is only a small subset of fans.
Heck, I was on the driving range the other night and 2 normies were discussing this asinine issue like there is nothing else going on.
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1 hour ago, uticaclub said:
He restructured with the promise they were going to sign another weapon. I’m with Stef if that is true.
And if true, all the anger directed at Diggs should be balanced with that concept he wanted another receiver who'd take targets from him.
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2 hours ago, Success said:
The team we have going into 2023 is significantly better than last year's team, imo.
I think for the 1st time in the JA era, we'll have an o-line that doesn't have a weak link or 2. Also for the 1st time, we'll have an actual running game - that doesn't involve Allen. Harris is going to change the dynamic of this offense.
We also have an improved pass rush, imo, and will be tougher & more physical overall.
Tougher schedule this year (on paper) - but I love this team heading into the season. I feel as optimistic as I ever have.
Major weakness is still there and not going to change, but I'll say it: McBeane are the primary issue. Why? Because their vision of NFL football with a franchise QB has not changed much since Josh elevated his play.
McD still loves his defense too much for a HC originating from that side of the ball. He can't help himself to add another DLineman that supports his demand for an ultra deep DL. Every year they have to add another 2-3 UFAs there at rates above market value. They can spend another 10M+ on Floyd, Ford, Phillips, but shudder the thought of adding a better WR2. It's been rare the offense was a priority in UFA when relatively proven veterans were available.
And their drafts haven't been stellar either. Too many 1st-3rd round picks that have been pedestrian or underwhelming which forces them to go UFA shopping which impacts their cap.
Lot of people here always talking individual position improvement, but I'm waiting for the HC and GM to start getting better in off-season decisions.
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5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:
Yep. Bigger still! Just because the NYC market is about 50 times bigger than ours.
OK, I admit the intrigue is becoming more than Marshawn plowing over inebriated women on Chippewa 15 years ago. And just in time for the NFL calendar down time of June-July.
And yeah...I get the demographics involved comparing NYC to BUF.
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3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:
True. Something like this happens on the Jets or Giants, it blows up waaaay beyond what we'll see here.
108 pages or about 2,100 posts in less than a day isn't? Not to mention it's a headline on ESPN.com?
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6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
I like to think I understand the game and understand what I’m seeing on offense. I’ve disliked many OC’s the Bills have hired. When fans hated Daboll here I defended him because I liked what he was trying to. I don’t see many differences between Daboll and Dorsey’s schemes. There’s different personnel on the field, mainly Beasley out and McKenzie in. Very different WRs.
I look at redzone offense a lot as well. They were terrible in the middle of the season falling to 23rd in November but improved dramatically and ended up 9th overall.
So I ask you to please explain what makes Dorsey a bad OC? I didn’t like all the deep shots but it was later said that Allen’s elbow felt less discomfort throwing deep.
This discussion is not a "love" or "hate" one. People who come onto message boards describing constructive criticism as "hate" typically cannot apply reason to a situation.
1 hour ago, ddaryl said:I think the fallings of last years offense is a multi headed Hydra
Rookie OC didn't have adjustments ready to go
Josh didn't see open receivers plenty of times and tried to thread the long ball too often
OL was horribly inconsistentFA and drafted rookies receivers/RBs had very little impact
This is more like it. Rookie OC, less than adequate overall offensive investment, inability to build a decent OL with a clear blocking scheme, HC who still struggles with the offensive side of the ball (both personnel and scheme) along with a QB who tries to do too much sometimes and misses certain throws. It's a combination of many causes why they struggled late last season.
Watching the SC Final last night, fans are quick to blame players for poor play and are less likely to view in-game and overall team strategy as a contributing problem. And this is primarily because most fans have little understanding of player responsibilities in that designated scheme. And historically the least appreciated is the transactions at the GM level, which when called into question, prompt some to go apoplectic. For example, when Beane complains about not having cap room, but the myriad of bad contracts he himself handed out in preceding years isn't pointed to.
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46 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
He's not wrong
If you don't like hearing about it tho it's easy to avoid him
2013 Seahawks are the last team with a defense-first HC who won a SB.
Cue the poster calling Belichick a defensive HC to counter the point.
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And here I thought, in true TBD fashion, someone was openly worried the 3rd string QB was going to sit out the season.
Because somewhere someone is considering that Matt Barkley might retire. And then what?
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This whole thread can be answered using Occam's razor.
Having a DL rotation ostensibly to keep players fresh isn't the primary reason for continuing to invest there. It's primarily to support the HC's vision and scheme for defense which he's based off of working for Jim Johnson years ago. Not saying he's duplicating the scheme exactly because the game's changed, but that's his foundation.
As an aside, from 2020-2022 Buffalo was 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in total defensive spending. They're 2nd right now for 2023 and spending, devoting about 18-19% of their cap to Edge/DLinemen, and about 13M more than last season.
I don't think they'll keep all 11 of their DL/edge under contract, so that number will decrease. And at the same time, every time they invest a little more in the defense one has to consider how that hinders the ability to support Josh with more OL or skill talent help.
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Blame Canada!
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17 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
That's what we are talking about here with Oliver. He has had a few great games but has yet to either play the snaps of.....or produce numbers that resemble a top DT. I do agree that the floor needs to become AT LEAST 70% of the snaps......you can't be running in liabilities like Jordan Phillips or Brandin Bryant for 45% of the damn snaps and paying Ed $17M.
But that 70% is like 200 more snaps than he played just last season(presuming he plays 17). It's a lot easier said than done.........and with those snaps he needs to add more than 1-2 sacks of production.
He simply has to become a MUCH better player. That's generally not how these contracts are earned.
I have never quite understood the thought process on how Oliver is used.
It would make sense to me if he's hurt why the snap count is what it is despite being a top-10 pick. I'm not buying that it's completely driven by that. I suspect it's also in part a result of McD's DL rotational mindset.
And if that's the case, spending top picks on DT's who will be used this way seems mis-aligned. I'd expect the better DL to be on the field if they're relatively healthy, which down the stretch is harder. 37 snaps per game and 54-60% over a season on contract terms he signed for seems like a mis-use of resources.
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On 6/1/2023 at 10:34 AM, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
I'm hopeful of a benford switch to safety. He's usually a sound tackler and has some ball skills, and the size for the position. The challenge will be run fits and angles.
We're talking strategic and not tactical decision making, i.e. individual personnel moves.
Former 7th round picks moving around in the secondary aren't strategic moves that will improve the W-L record much.
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2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Yeah Reid is a much more seasoned head coach and I think we've seen McBeane learning on the fly. When Reid was with Philly it wasn't as efficient of a process. Benefits of experience are evident.
I'm coming around now on the learning curve thing not being as quick with certain NFL HC's and GM's. Not going to be as quick sometimes as others, that mistakes get made, and taking a step back happens. Still can't afford a playoff exit like the last 2 seasons.
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On 5/30/2023 at 10:32 AM, BADOLBILZ said:
The Bills? The Chiefs don't prioritize the secondary anywhere near as much as the Bills. People forget they let Mathieu AND Charvarius Ward walk last offseason. They have no money invested there to speak of and only the 1 high pick. The investments between the 2 teams are quite an extreme contrast.
KC makes substantial changes in an off-season when something hasn't worked. In addition to those 2 safeties leaving in one shot, within the past few off-seasons they (1) re-did 3/5ths of their OL in one off-season, (2) moved on from Hill's contract and replaced with a couple lower-cost options, and before that (3) traded Dee Ford to replace him with Frank Clark when the pass rush was not up to par.
These aren't knee-jerk reactions either, but proactive moves toward continuous improvement. And these changes have largely worked because they anticipated better where the roster needed to be, not where it was. For example, I doubt Reid and Veach would have hesitated at all with letting Edmunds walk or continued over-looking the WR position if Davis was their WR2.
I have my doubts about whether McBeane, but mostly McD will ever be a good steward of Josh's talents. Drafting Kincaid is a step in the right direction though. Going to be interesting how they replace the 2 aging safeties...because more high picks shouldn't always be the default answer like it's been at CB.
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Bills linked to Jason Peters
in The Stadium Wall
Posted
Some human beings excel in life. Some just exist until they die.
Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord,
and let perpetual light shine upon them.
May they rest in peace. Amen.
You see the contract Peters got after the trade? Money talks.