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Both, actually.

I'm pretty sure one of the Tide WRs this year (Devonta Smith, I think) said that Jones is definitely a better QB than Tua. Chris Simms has also said that Jones's tape is much better than Tua's.

I know, the situations weren't comparable from that standpoint, but after that incident, Woods clearly lost the huge psychological advantage he had over the rest of the PGA. His aura of invulnerability was shattered, gone for good. I think the same will be true of Watson, even though he clearly isn't the dominant figure Woods was in his sport.

I agree that these huge trade-ups (multiple first round picks) to move up for a QB rarely work out, but the fact that some expert "consensus" has Jones ranked as the 30th best player is pretty meaningless. I mean, Tua was ranked in the top three or four by lots of experts last year and it's pretty clear he should not have been taken in the first round. And of course the "consensus" on JA would have had him as QB4 or 5. I have a pretty high level of confidence in Shanahan and the Niners when it comes to these sorts of evaluations. They have drafted very well lately...

Ridiculous. Josh Allen shined very early on, despite his weak supporting cast. This past year his supporting cast was much better, but he also raised their games. Diggs and Beasley, for example, never before had seasons like they had in 2020.

You're right. I'm just bitter about the Oliver pick because I thought he was terribly over-rated coming out of Houston. I watched a few of their games his last year and he was pretty much invisible. I never understood the hype.

No one’s asking Oliver to “carry a defense on his back”. It would be nice if he made a game-changing play every now and then though. Or maybe even got a sack. Or even a pressure. We were told he was the kind of interior defender who was going to collapse the pocket and get after the passer. So far, he’s JAG.

You may be right, but the 9th overall pick (in a very good draft) shouldn’t need help from another defensive player in order to “shine”.

I think this is probably correct—he’ll get a chance to play again, barring a significant criminal conviction. But I doubt he’ll ever be the same. Watson’s aura of greatness has been shattered and he’s at best a laughingstock now. We don’t know how this is going to play out yet, but I think Tiger Woods after the 2008 incident is probably the best sports analogy.

Name one time Beane has traded back...seems to me he only trades up.

No, you should question whether Jones is really the 30th best prospect...

His teammates don’t know the facts. Anyone who comes out in support of Watson right now is taking a huge leap of faith and runs the risk that they will look really bad if Watson turns out to be a mini Jeffrey Epstein...

Exactly. It was easy for fans and teammates to believe Kobe over his one accuser...this is completely different. It's looking like we are talking about a serial sex offender...

I'm starting to think this guy's career is over. If there were some sort of exculpating evidence or any kind of innocent explanation for what's happening, we would have heard it by now. Whatever happens to him from a legal perspective, it's pretty obvious that Watson is a deviant MFer. I can't see any NFL team wanting anything to do with him.

If I had to guess, i would say it was because the owner didn't want to fire Gase after only one season and told Douglas he couldn't fire him.

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And yet you're willing to condemn Douglas for the Jets' record in his first year, with a coach he didn't hire and a QB he didn't draft...interesting thought process...

Same thing he said about Mahomes. But he loved him some Mitch Trubisky!

He had Josh Allen ranked 5th, behind Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Jackson, in that order. In other words, he was very, very wrong.

Pretty sure you’re thinking of Phil Simms here, not Chris. To my knowledge, Chris didn’t do a pre-draft QB ranking in 2016.

Another reason Gase is gone...

Yeah, it’s a pretty low-cost gamble on a young QB whom a lot of people think might have some potential. I don’t think Darnold will pan out for them, but it’s certainly not impossible. To me, this shows that Carolina isn’t high on the QBs who are likely to be left after Lawrence, Wilson, and (probably) Jones are gone.

Come on, man. That's ridiculous. Becton is an absolute beast. He's going to be their LT for the next ten years. That alone makes it a pretty good draft.

Nonsense. They are ditching Darnold because they don't think he's good enough and they think Zack Wilson is going to be better. The excuses people are willing to make for Darnold are endless.

Newsflash! The Jets' front office that squandered all that draft capital on Sam Darnold is, like Darnold himself, gone. There is no reason to believe that Douglas will do as poorly as their last GM. Nor is there any reason to believe Wilson will be as disappointing as Darnold.