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2 minutes ago, BearNorth said:
I was thinking that Ditka and Gonzalez would have to be in that discussion as well [for the era's they played in]. Antonio Gates might have a case as well.
Gonzalez and Gates were just big WRs and neither has any post-season accomplishments…Ditka falls so far short statistically, that it’s not really much of a comparison, despite the different eras in which they played. Gronk was probably the second most important player on probably the all-time NFL dynasty.
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Just now, BearNorth said:
And of course arguably one of the top 3 tight ends in NFL history grew up in Buffalo, and we selected Torell Troup ahead of him.
Not arguable. Gronk is top 2, without any question. Kelce's the only one who's got an argument and they're not really comparable in that Kelce's rarely asked to block.
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8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:
When the dust settles, Dalton will be the greatest Bills TE in history.
Such a low bar that Kincaid might already have cleared it…
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I'm shocked that the guy who just handed the Chiefs the AFCC Game with two of the most boneheaded plays in recent memory--including the most blatant taunting penalty I've ever seen--doesn't have his s**t together off the field, either...
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As a HS senior, Curry was the top recruit in the country in both basketball and football, so there’s that…
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On 1/31/2024 at 1:51 PM, SoonerBillsFan said:
I get it. I get the angst, frustration, sadness, depression, anger and flat out rage at our season ending AGAIN in a Divisional playoff game. I have been a fan since Jim Kelly joined the team in 1986' so I get it. I was so pissed that Simon had to get in my ass for venting 110X or more in 24 hours, so I understand. This is our team, and we love them. We love them so much they raise us to heaven or send us straight to hell depending on the outcome of a game or a season.
We cant not and will not quit. We have two new coordinators that we all pray will make some needed changes for this coming season that will get us over the hump. We hope Coach McDermott and Brandon Beane understand we must get Josh better weapons and we must shore up the deficiencies on the DL. Many draft picks, FA acquisitions just haven't panned out. We will also need at least 1 more safety and maybe a CB or two.
But... Brandon Beane really has nailed some draft picks lately, last year especially. I hope he better understands how to evaluate and scout for what we need and from last years first two picks, I have to believe he has. McDermott hopefully will let go of the reigns a little and let the new coordinator's do their thing.
Faith is a very hard thing to come by in the best of times, and really hard when we are Bills fans. But we must BILLieve that this coming year we turn the corner and finally get to the big show and win it.
What new staff?
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4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:
There will always be enough talent in this country to field 32 NFL teams. Especially if the sport grows globally, you'll get talent there too. We didn't get MLB talent from Japan until the mid 90's and now look at that culture now. Same thing with the NBA, the Dream Team is what made the World start loving basketball. Now top NBA players come from Europe on a regular basis.
The game is going to continue to grow in numbers and participants because the country is going to keep growing in population. High School football has gotten so big in Atlanta that in the last 10 years, they have added two more divisions. My high school used to be a AAAA school, biggest division. Now they are AAAAAA because there are so many more schools being built and this is creating more football players.
Flag football will grow more fans for the NFL. You generally gain interest in something you're participating in. Now women and girls play football now comfortably...it's not just a "boys" sport anymore.
We see it all the time. People who start to learn to cook will watch more things about cooking, people who start training in Jiu Jitsu start watching the UFC, my son played soccer for the first time last spring and guess what he wants to watch a lot of now, people who start to golf will watch more things about golf etc....when you start participating in something in which you enjoy, you are going to more interested in it.
That's an interesting perspective, but it's really just anecdotal, and where I live (on the West Coast), it's just the opposite. Here is a long but very interesting recent article on this topic from the Washington Post.
Basically, rates of participation in HS football are declining precipitously nationwide (about 13 percent over the past 10 years, and the decline is even steeper in younger age brackets), although in certain regions, mostly in the South, rates have held pretty steady. It's a highly complex issue that has political, racial and economic components. One thing the article makes clear is that the NFL considers these declining participation rates "an existential threat". Hence, among other things, their promotion of flag football. It's not out of the question to think that in some parts of the country, tackle football will cease to exist in its current format and that will drive major changes at the NFL level, too.
And by the way, the idea that the NFL is ever going to benefit from a significant influx of foreign players is nothing more than a pipe dream. There is really nowhere else on the planet outside of North America where tackle football is more than a fringe sport and I don't see how that's ever going change, for a lot of reasons. There is certainly no noticeable increase in foreign players playing in the NFL, despite many years of the NFL promoting itself internationally.
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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:
Are you always this level of conspiracy? They are growing another aspect of a sport means they are going to make the NFL flag football too?
The UFC is promoting Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Does that mean that soon, there will be no more punching or kicking in the UFC because they are promoting Brazilian Jiu Jitsu?
So we are going to keep other contact/combat sports like MMA, rugby, boxing, bareknuckle fighting, hockey but eliminate tackle football. A sport that out grosses all the US sports combined....we're going to gut that.
This is a sport we played through covid. They cancelled March Madness and we still held a live televised draft lol. We didn't shorten the season like other sports, or even delay it...we kept it going.
No one is going to ruin this cash cow.
The NFL going to flag football is about as likely as Amazon going back to exclusively only selling books.
I do hope you’re right.
The NFL is as popular as it’s ever been, but I worry that the foundation on which it rests is wobbly. HS football participation numbers are falling every year and college football is committing slow suicide. This is where NFL players come from, and if these “factories” falter, it will profoundly affect the NFL game. And unlike the other three major sports, there is no real source of international players whose influx strengthens the pool of players from which the teams draw. This could eventually lead to declining popularity—and declining political influence—which would open the door to major changes in the way the game is played. -
17 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
I am pretty sure the reason is to grow the sport. Women don't usually play tackle football but they will play flag football which will create new fans of football in general.
I don't understand how this proves or is evidence the NFL Owners are willing to lose Billions of dollars a year on this. If you take away tackle football, the game is going to fill the stands like the WNBA and I don't understand how you think they want that.
Of course they are going to be playing flag football and not tackle football. Do you really want Josh Allen taking hits over a summer for Team USA and risking injury for the regular season?
There is zero evidence that flag football “grows the game”, and of course they aren’t pushing just women’s flag football…as I said, it won’t happen overnight, but the writing is on the wall. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think so…
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5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
No it won't. They are and have spent so much money into CTE research and the redesigns or helmets and other equipment.
Flag football would be a $50 billion dollar loss and the owners aren't going to sign off on that.
I'm not sure how these are connected.
The owners are already doing a lot to promote flag football, and FF will continue to be pushed as an acceptable, safer alternative to tackle football. It will happen first in California, of course, where the legislature has already voted on a law to ban tackle football for kids under 12 years old. NFL players will compete in flag football in the 2026 Olympics, etc…
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4 hours ago, LabattBlue said:
Not a chance this prediction comes true.
You’re not paying attention. The evidence is everywhere. Could take 12 years instead (right about the time that the sale of gas-powered vehicles is banned in the Western US), but it’s inevitable. Now go back to watching the flag football “Pro Bowl”.
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53 minutes ago, muppy said:
the bolded reads to me like an interesting off season thread topic, Not to derail this thread but I bet a lot of people would have opinions on this.
the kittyfication of football is a concern of the fans. We are consumers and we want the content we want. Too bad if it effects life and limb for the players involved. **shrugs**
anyway...
My comment is based on more than just the recent NFL rule changes…last week, California nearly passed a law banning tackle football for kids under 12 years old…Flag Football is going to be an Olympic sport, and the NFL is heavily promoting this new “sport”…and of course the Pro Bowl nonsense. I don’t want to turn this political, but it’s where our society is heading…governments are intervening in personal choices “for our own good” more and more, and getting away with it.
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3 hours ago, Low Positive said:
The Pro Bowl wasn’t football, but this isn’t even fake football. It’s Battle of the Network Stars.
Get used to it. The NFL will be a flag football league in 10 years.
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28 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:
Why does Brady look 2-4 inches taller than Josh in this clip?
I noticed the same thing.
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5 hours ago, dave mcbride said:
It's now starting to make sense why the Steelers didn't cover Kincaid on his TD in the playoff game and why Shakir ran free on the second-down play on the Bills final possession in the divisional round game. The Bills proved all season that they're terrible at connecting on deep middle throws. The only success they had was the Kincaid catch in the playoff game! In the regular season, they were an unbelievable 0 for 15.
wasn’t the TD pass to Shakir in the second Jets game a “deep middle” throw?
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On 1/31/2024 at 5:36 AM, SoCal Deek said:
Ha! Small potatoes! I saw a story the other day where some gal in Purchasing recently stole over $100 MILLION from the US Military and bought dozens of houses and cars. I mean….WTF!
Yep, and she would never have been caught if she had been more intelligent about how she spent the money.
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At the NFL level, it’s critical to have a HC who has credibility with the players, who the players believe knows what he’s doing, and can give them an edge. Harbaugh instantly gives the Chargers that, after three years of Staley. It was also important for this franchise to make a splash hire in a market where they are an afterthought, at best.
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22 hours ago, Brand J said:
Beane said he traded with MIN for Diggs because he didn’t believe the team could get high enough to select one of the top 3 WRs (Lamb, Jeudy, and Ruggs). With that first rounder the Vikings picked Justin Jefferson and would have him on a cost controlled rookie contract for at least 4 years.
I’ve said it before but it bears repeating: if trading up guaranteed you’d be getting a superior talent in comparison to what you could get later, I’d be all for it, but that’s not at all how the NFL draft works. Why people, including Beane, have such a fascination with moving up and losing out on other potential contributors I’ll never understand. Picking the right guy is what matters, NOT where he’s picked. With that said, trade up for the QB if you absolutely believe in him, understandable because he plays the most important position in sports. But for any other position? “That’s a no from me, dawg.” I’ll throw up if Beane trades into the top 10 for a WR, especially considering how this team needs a bevy of good talent on cheap, cost controlled contracts.
This is exactly the kind of draft where it’s dumb to make a major move up for a WR…there are too many good receivers available and no one knows who the best three or four will turn out to be. It’s happened time after time and people still never learn…the 2020 draft you mention is a great example, and of course 2014…
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7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Most overrated Bill ever. "he's smart" 😂
Just one outstanding season in 4 years with the Bills and that was in an offense where the other Bills RB's produced big in 2015 and 2016. Because Greg Roman is a great run game designer.
His other 3 seasons in Buffalo he was a below average RB statistically.
The attention desperate, celebrity knob-polishing of Bills fans loved Shady though.
The most overrated Buffalo Bill of the last 40 years…and probably ever
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51 minutes ago, DCofNC said:
And another second for Sweat and then made him absurdly over paid. Could have just waited and paid him.
Sweat turned around the Bears’ defense after the trade. He is going to be a cornerstone for them. It was a very good trade. They never could have gotten a player like Sweat in round 2 of the draft.
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2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:
No. The Bills had their chance and failed. Not a colossal blunder like 0:13, just plain old failure to execute. This version of KC is evenly matched with this years Bills, just took advantage of their opportunity. The game could easily have went either way in the final minutes. Thirteen seconds should just never happen.. ever.
Agreed. The Bills were outplayed this time. We got every conceivable break (recovered three of our own fumbles, got the fumble through the endzone by Hardman, and had almost every important call by the refs go our way) and we still couldn’t get it done. The Chiefs averaged almost 8 yards per play, and we were below 5 YPP. Not good enough.
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3 hours ago, DCofNC said:
I’d be really surprised if they don’t tag and trade him, they have the room to do it and unlike some dumb teams who let guys walk and hope for compensation picks, they can just work it out to get their picks this year. Think AJ Brown, Eagles gave up a first and paid him, I’d bet someone is willing to give up a second and pay Higgins, the way the Bears waste picks they might even make it a first 😂
How have Bears “wasted picks”? It seems to me they’ve been highly astute in the maximization of their draft capital…although that’s not to say their actual selections have been astute. The only example I can think of is the second they gave up for Claypool a few years ago.
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The Bills could not be more fortunate that the Jests are planning to run it back again with Saleh, Hackett and Rodgers...it's going to make this past Jests' season look like a picnic at the beach. Truly amazing that Saleh still has a job.
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3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
If Brian Thomas Jr makes it to pick 16 for Seattle, Beane should strongly consider moving up to jump ahead of Miami and other WR needy teamsSince when did Miami become a "WR needy team"? I can't think of a team less likely to draft a WR in round 1.
Super Bowl LVIII game thread.
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Since drafting Mahomes, 17 of Chiefs 24 picks in the first four rounds have been defensive players.