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8 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:
I understand the idea of reading the defense but exactly how do QB's like Brady and Manning do it vs. how Allen is processing what he sees?
Is there something basic he was doing that got unlearned? Other than making bad choices maybe its why is he making bad choices? I mean by the 2nd year any QB knows throwing into double or triple coverage is reckless, and also stupid. So why is he doing it? And how do they get the problem fixed?
One other change I might want to see is bringing the OC down to the field to get more face-to-face time and conversation between Dorsey and Allen.
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Focused on themes,
Josh Allen was the reason you lost the game.
The easy button throws were there all game; took them some times
times he said no were inexplicable
it's even more frustrating when you study the tape; it's worse than you thought
I watched an extremely immature QB that didn't run the offense well
you become completely aware of the turn-downs, the things he said no to
eyes were all over the place, situational awareness was lacking - forcing throws, not embracing the game script
it was 17 that was the problem
Lots of things are good once we move past the bad....
With the film breakdown, it wasn't Dorsey the easy plays were there. The one INT on the pass to Davis where Whitehead undercut, it was arm arrogance. He had 2 other throws for the first down. On the arm punt INT, he could have ran it (we know), but Knox had a few steps on Mosely for a huge possible gain. The basic breakdown is that, The Jets baited the hero ball out of Allen...
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9 hours ago, Jauronimo said:
I knew what this was and clicked on it anyway.
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4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:
I mean he had a historical playoff performance just two years ago and was in the process of doing just that before his HC blew it….
And now that OC and Shea Tierney are in NYC and not here. For whatever reason, Daboll was able to reign in bad Josh amd he listened and that is the big change IMO.
We saw Allen get yelled at by Daboll when he was a bone head...I don't see that now...
He lobbied for Dorsey, yet here we are...
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3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:
Chan and the horizontal game.
Is it wrong to miss he and Fitz a lil bit ?
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Lol no and we could actually run the ball too. If you can combine both of those offenses and give Allen fitzys brain....
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4 hours ago, Process said:
At this point the issue is Josh and Ken. Not sure adding Renfrow changes anything.
It's more Josh and wanting TDs instead of just keeping the chains moving.
I will give you the play calling at times, but josh has to take what's there and not give games away....
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4 hours ago, Einstein said:
I agree.
I fully recognize that it sounds ridiculous and there is little (or perhaps zero) precedence for it, but we should have let McDermott go and kept Daboll.
That almost never works out....this is he issue you run into when you hire an HC, if there is any success on the side they aren't specially in, those coordinators get hired on as HCs. That has fallen in KCs favor
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1 hour ago, sven233 said:
The thing is, he can't make the decisions for Allen. There were several plays that Allen made the decision to push the ball down the field when it wasn't the right decision to make. There was one play I saw, maybe on the INT he tried to force to Davis, his primary read should have been to Kincaid over the middle of the field. He was open on a stick route. Not only that, Diggs was wide open on a crosser. But, in the end, Allen ignored both of them and pushed the ball into harms way. Dorsey deserves blame for the overall gameplan for sure, but he can't make the decisions for Allen.
And this is where this question comes in, at which point to we reach thus is just who he is and there is no changing it? This is his what, 6th year? There are always conversations about any player if he just does x and gets that fixed and then takes care of y....
At some point they level out and that is who they are...
It's likely we get to double digit wins and are in the playoffs. If we don't have the 1 seed or are a wild card team, can Allen beat 4 good to great teams (without self destructing) in a row to win the SB? Can the defense or OL or coaching staff be counted on to do that?
It's a stretch isn't it?
57 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:Do the Bills even know how to run a proper screen with the line pulling to the same side ?
Lol, no they can't. I don't think they have been effective at it since Chan was our HC.
That's like asking can our defense ever not get gashed in the running game?
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1 hour ago, Logic said:
I agree with @Success.
It's hard to make judgements on the play calls or play design after last night's game.
The main reason for me is that when I go back and re-watch negative plays -- interceptions, sacks, throwaways -- I often see open receivers. It's hard for me to fault the OC too much when players are open (often short, yes) and Josh is refusing to throw it to them. If the plays Dorsey is calling have open receivers and Josh just isn't hitting them, it's hard for me to call it a Dorsey problem.
What I AM beginning to question is Dorsey's ability to coach Josh Allen the way he needs to be coached. As buddy-buddy as Josh was with Daboll, Josh would be the first to tell you that Daboll didn't hesitate to chew him out when he was being dumb. I think Daboll had a great feel for reigning in Bad Josh and harnessing Good Josh. Dorsey doesn't seem to have that feel. I'm starting to feel like Daboll was a very big reason that Josh had an all-world stretch of play in 2020 and 2021, and that Dorsey's lack of understanding of how to harness Josh's abilities and limit his negative tendencies in the same way are going to continue to mean that we see less Elite Josh and more Roller Coaster Josh, and that he's going to regress back to being the player the haters always told us he was.
THAT'S my concern. Less the play design and play calls, and more the actual COACHING of Josh Allen.This is where I am too and it makes perfect sense. I do billieve when the all-22 comes out there will be open guys underneath that he just ignored, again. Same shite different year. If the oc and qb coach do not reign him in, it's up to McD to be the actual HC. Unfortunately what will happen is we will beat up on these lowly teams and this will die down until the next time. My concern is not that we lost one game, the way we lost is a continuation from last year....
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59 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Last night Allen had one of his worst games in a long time.
This is true, it's been about 8 months since his last bad game; which unfortunately was also that last non-peseason game he played...
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16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Yeah, tough to get into the "shouldve kept Dabol as HC" argument (which I've made myself) after he was embarassed even worse this weekend.
However, I also believe he has a much better demeanor for coaching/handling Josh than Dorsey. Dorsey is too jittery, too frenetic, too always-wanting-to-take-a-deep-shot. Exact opposite of what Josh needs.
Dorsey and Josh are cut from the same cloth, even Daboll was getting reigned in by Sean at times. I had issues with Daboll’s offense at times too....
Firing one coach to keep another rarely works out, but you do lose a lot of continuity on the opposite side of the ball and that appears to be a part of this allen regression. It's not that I'm all on Allen for a bad game, those happen, but as he said same shite different year and that's on him...
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39 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
Yes it will. Both those forced deep picks there was wide open shorter options. One was Kincaid with 10 yards of space.
I know it will, how often is what I'm curious about and it will be the same site, they are there and he doesn't take them.
Not turning this into an anti McDermott comment, but this is what happens when you have a defensive-minded HC vs an offensive-minded one, the offensive guy find success and leaves as an HC. I bring this up not as an argument to fire Sean and to keep Dabs, but it did appear Josh listened to Daboll. I also know our offense had funks with Daboll as well, but this is just feels a lot different.
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48 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
Yes thought about it.
dorsey had a heck of a game plan for that defense. All Josh needed to do was take the open player. He didn’t.
that is an often thing with him and will get put in the OC.
just like it did with Daboll and now it is with Dorsey. I think people need to start putting a lot of the blame on the shoulders of 17 where it belongs
He's not listening to coaching, on the run where he turned back inside, he should have run out of bounds. McD goes over to him points the finger to his head and says be smart, then Josh tries to hurdle 7 defenders and is still 8 yards short...
The OC will take a fall here, but Josh shoulders a lot of the blame. Curious to see what the all 22 shows and if Josh is not taking the underneath stuff again...
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35 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:
Not the reason they lost. Not even close
They lost because of Allen
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Does this really need to be a new thread? I'm sure we can pull out the threads from the last 10 years or so and just continue on....
It's just awful, awful, awful
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Just now, Dr.Sack said:
Allen looking skittish, like he did vs Steelers.
He likes to hit when he is running, when he is sitting in the pocket and getting hit - he is not a fan of it...
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6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
You can give him a dominant run game if you like.... but if his decision making on pass plays is as bad as tonight you could have Barry Sanders and Jim Brown behind him and we'd be going nowhere.
We didn't lose tonight because we lacked a run game. Cook ran reasonably well. We lost because our Quarterback made terrible decisions throwing the football.
6th season and this is now beyond concerning as it is carrying over from last season. This feels like it is a continuing trend and I'm not sure how it gets corrected. When we play the crap teams, this will fade into the background, but this is a big big issue. Josh can say it's his fault, but yet the results are the same...
It's worrying
Edit - Sorry for the shite writing, I'm pissed
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Just now, GunnerBill said:
He was pissed at Josh. That is consistently the story I heard.
He must be thinking WTF has happened to my Quarterback?
I'm thinking the same thing...
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think we know who Diggs was pissed at
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Just now, HappyDays said:
I just don't understand it
Allen misses Daboll, regressing in front of our eyes. Poor decisions
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Just now, Doc said:
Just run the ball Josh.
he is bad tonight
Update: All -22 stuff Joe Marino Locked on Bills, Now Cover 1 w/ play breakdowns
in The Stadium Wall
Posted
He appeared to be with Daboll...no?