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31 minutes ago, jkeerie said:
OBL is now reporting that there is a report (I believe from CBS sports) that there will be an expected run on wide receivers early in the 2nd round. That could move teams at the top of the round to trade into the bottom of the first round where the run will now start. So...there may be slim pickens on WRs in the 2nd round. There are a lot of WR needy teams picking at the top of Round 2.
Trading back is not a great idea, don't need OBL to tell you that. All the teams around us and behind us could use WR help and those teams at the top of rd2 need WRs. Even staying at 28 could get you jumped...
10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:Byron Murphy, maybe?
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2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Yep. The easiest way to look at it is "needs change fast".
Nobody thought the Bills need DL help in spring of 2014.........when they could have just saved picks and selected Aaron Donald, the best DL of the first quarter of this century. By spring of 2016 they were reaching for Shaq Lawson and Adolphus Washington in the first 3 rounds of the draft.
The vomit emoji was for your last sentence...awful
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59 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
Well, I don't agree with you or Happy about what the Bills need, but I am not going to be disappointed tomorrow. Beane and McDermott know what they want, and they have a plan. They will have a receiver by Friday night, and that receiver will be a success. He will be a success because the Bills will need him to get only 600-800 yards, and there apparently are a lot of guys in the draft who will be able to do that. They'll do it because they won't be asked to do too much, just run the routes and catch the ball when you're open. Someone else - Kincaid, Shakir, or Samuel - will go over 1000. Or maybe it'll be the rookie. It might even be two guys going over 1000.
I'm confident it will work, assuming Brady can deliver the kind of offense that's expected.
I wish I had your level of confidence - I think without having a #1 to roll coverage away it will make life much more difficult. I also lack the confidence in our coaching staff, we are not like KC or SF where we can easily scheme people open and always have a target. When the plays break down, we do not have that guy that will make those plays for us. We need a game breaker
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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
I love Kincaid but they could’ve easily got Addison. I had to listen to someone on WGR the other day say they really wanted him.
I mean? Ok. He was only a few picks away. Let me say this, I think Addison, Flowers, and JSN would be the 4th WR this year.
This is one of the reasons why i feel like Beane will make a bigger move if he can - the not moving up much for Addison (they may have had Kincaid rated higher though) and the Elam pick - being patient cost us McDuffie and let KC jump us. I'm just hoping we have someone who is willing to move
1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:I surely do not want to weaken the Oline to move up. I don't really think there is an expendable roster player with the kind of value you are looking for. To get one of the big 3, you are significantly raiding 2025 picks and probably trading 28 and 60. I'd be excited to get one of them, but that price is too high, imo. If Thomas falls a bit, there might be a deal to be made there, though he's definitely a tier below.
I think they need 2 WRs, either through the draft or the draft and a trade for a veteran. I'd prefer to draft around 28 and use a 2025 second to move up from 60 for another receiver. That would be my plan, but there are multiple feasible options. At this point, it's close enough that I am ready for the speculation to end and see what Beane can figure out. I don't think he will be passive. If I had to bet, I'd say he moves up, but at this point it's unclear how far. I don't really see anyone wanting to trade back out of the top ten to 28. Beane might have to move up into the teens, and then move up again from there if a top 3 WR is his target. Going to be pricey as hell if that's what happens.
They are really high on Van Dermark, I'm not sure we will pay 2 tackles either as it is Brown's last year on his rookie contract...That is the only reason I am going there. There luterally is no one else on this team we can toss in. Elam is about as worthless as Zack Wilson
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14 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
At the end there you named the 4 best offensive coaches in the NFL. Another team I would point to with your philosophy is the Packers. Not so coincidentally that would round out the top 5 offensive coaches in the NFL.
We aren't at that caliber of offensive coaching, not even close IMO. I like Brady overall but let's be realistic. With a coach of his caliber you need top tier offensive talent to have a top tier offense.
And in general we should really stop using the Chiefs as any kind of measuring stick. They got shutout in the 2nd half of the AFCCG and the 1st half of the Super Bowl. Think about that - they got shut out in consecutive halfs in their final two games and they won the freaking Super Bowl doing it. They did this a few years after drafting a RB in the 1st round, a couple years after trading away the best WR in the NFL, in a season where they had a below average LT. No team should be trying to replicate their strategy. Their coaching staff is in another stratosphere compared to everybody else which means they can get away with things that no other franchise can.
We don't need to be like any other team. We need to be the best possible version of the Bills, and the best possible version of the Bills absolutely has a top tier pass catcher to make up for its lack of top tier coaching.
You said this perfectly....
I'm prepared to be disappointed tomorrow, I hope I'm wrong tho
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1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:
Van Demark has played well at LT in the pre-season, so maybe there's some hope there, but I don't think he's shown well in limited time at RT, actually. Collins is pretty washed and a backup at best. Using Brown in a trade up means you are losing two starters from the best Oline the Bills have had in years, and it was only pretty good. In short, I think that is a pretty awful move to use Brown as a chip to move up.
Beane put himself in this position by trading Diggs, but before that, by not investing sufficient at WR. I think it will be hard to get any of the top 3, and expensive to get the fourth. The WR room has to be addressed, though, so I guess we'll see how much of a wizard our GM really is.
Don't disagree with any of this, just trying to think of can a player be used a trade bait with what we realistically have that has some degree of value (not Elam).
Where i get to is we have been close but not close enough to beating KC and now is one of the times to swing big to make our offense that much better and harder to defend. We have Josh allen and we will almost always be picking in the late 20s, on a serious note what does next year's 26 through 32 pick do for us? This is the year to go big imo and how do we sweeten it enough?
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41 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:
Great to hear from you Brandon 😂…Bills just paid Dawkins an $11m Signing bonus just to trade him a month later ? They really lighting Pegs money on fire this offseason ..
Lol might need to bump the 25% up to 30%
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1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:
Not seeing the logic ..
One of the Top 10 has to move down to 28 … for essentially 2025 picks .. why not just take Odunze instead themselves if he is going to be such a difference maker? Or is he only a difference maker for the Bills?Take the bears for instance they have 4 picks and tons of holes to fill, more picks to flesh out their roster and to actually get some talent in the building. The titans are under going a full rebuild and need drafts picks to well rebuild. Those are 2 top 10 teams that could use as many picks as possible. You could through NYG in as well, they have 6 picks.
Could all those teams use a wr, yeah, but they value OL, QB even more. The Bears can also easily grab a wr at the top of rd 2...
the giants will trade for Aiuk imo if they get a QB...
More realistic is getting your teams in the teens to slide back...
Odunze is easier to grab than Nabers or MHJr. I just can't see us getting to 4 or even 5 with the chargers. I do think the jets will try to move to the Chargers to get a WR (even though the should be looking at OL).
I do think Spencer Brown could be a player included, last year of his deal (are we really going to pay 2 tackles?) We love Van Dermark and signed Collins. Is that enough to get someone to bite? Late first is also good CB territory as well.
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53 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
I like Worthy, but yes Odunze would be phenomenal.
I also think if we manage to keep pick 60, we could land Troy Franklin to go with Odunze.I'm conflicted this year because there is a lot of talent at WR in the draft. With Davis, I was fine a roll player WR replacement. I will admit that I was also hoping for a bigger move to eventually replace Diggs in 2 years, but I'm not sure I was willing to sell the farm for it.
The Diggs move did change a lot on my perspective. I'm certainly for the we need to get younger, clean the cap up and re-tool. We couldn't run it back again because that iteration of our team was not good enough. The reality is we are entering Allen prime. I just can't see us taking a guy that will need a year or 2 to develop and honestly waste those 2 years. The WR room has 2 number 3s right now and Kincaid. That isn't enough and I'm not sold on not having a go to #1, it just opens up much more for an offense.
The case and point for defense, I guess where I sit with that is load up on the secondary. I can almost never justify a first round pick on a safety, especially in our defensive system. I think you can find decent players in FA and the second round and lower. When it comes to a pass rushing end, how often does Mahomes get sacked in the post season? Or even pressured enough to make a mistake? It feels like having great cover guys may be the better option than trying to get him on the ground.
The other point is, you have to score everytime you have the ball, you just do. It all leads me back to you have to do what you can to move up and get that guy who you can have 5 great years with allen. I hesitate for the trade for Aiuk since all of the cap space you would have for 5 years is gone (again). For Jefferson, I begrudgingly would do it...but I need to still win now and don't want to wait for the development time. If I move next year's 1, you bet I want it to be 28 or later.
We have $10m in cap space coming back June 1 and can get a few other pieces to fill out the team. And next year use FA to further fill the holes. It just feels like this is the year to swing big again.
I do wonder if Spencer Brown is a trade chip. One year left and we do like our back up Van Dermark, plus Collins makes me think he is a deal sweetener...
Feels like a tough place to be right now
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1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
His route running appears very underrated to me. He also does not shy away from contact and will at times fight for extra yards
he mentioned in an interview wanting to show teams his football IQ.
If he's smart, I'm sure the Bills have him as their WR4 or WR5Odunze or bust guy here...no way we get to the other 2 imo....
This was our biggest need before trading Diggs and not swinging here is a mistake imo. The money we saved from trading him allows us to spend more money in UFA next offseason to plug safety and even C/IOL.
I don't see Beane risking a McDuffie situation and those are a lot of targets to replace. An $8 million FA WR and Shakir and Kincaid is not enough. IIRC, the bust rates in the top wrs is low, while the bust rate in rd1 wrs is well the next tier down and reaching for speed.
When WRs get paid with a QB, those 2 players are a third of the cap. This is a can't afford to miss position. I'm just not sure we can convince a team to drop all the way down to 28....
This place will burn down if KC makes a huge move up and we muddle around...
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2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Yea this sucks. BTJ is one of my favorites.
Allbright had Josh Allen didn't he? I think he was the only one who did
Yes he did and I believe he was the o ly one. Albright is legit and this makes me sad
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4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
A lot of great nuggets in here (for ESPN+ subscribers) including this on the Bills:
This is about putting Act II of Allen and the Bills with a soft reset. #1 WRs are about 12% of the cap and top qbs are about 20%. That is 1/3 of your cap going to 2 players.
They can save so much in cap space for 5 years by moving up with honeslty 3 great WR prospects, you have to move for it. The cap savings pays for the extra 1st itself...
Wr risk in round 1 has largely moved away from misses at the top of the class, go get one of the top 3 and pair this guy up with allen for the prime of his career...
I'm certainly not trading back when the teams below us and at the top of rd2 who went qb in rd 1, need wrs also. I'm not sure I'm making a smaller move up for wr4 or 5 unless I have a ton of conviction on their ability and our ability to develop them.
Do I want to part with next year's 1 for a plug and play wr this year or do I want to wait for year 2 or year 3 for them to come on during Allen's prime? I'm not wasting any time or years on his career. With the cap savings we can plug another hole or 2 in UFA in the next couple offseasons to negate the list one....
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2 minutes ago, Logic said:
While I would love a Justin Jefferson trade...he's going to command record-breaking money when he signs his extension, and I don't think Beane is ready to turn around after the Diggs ordeal and hand $30million+ to another receiver.
Rather, what I view as more likely is that he'd prefer to draft a rookie in round 1, because that player would be cost-controlled for five years, and would allow him to spend money rebuilding other parts of the roster that need it.Jefferson's age is what's key(and the fact he is a proven 1 and likely the best wr in the game) that is what makes him the only vet WR I would trade for and be willing to eat the contract he will get.
This is such a glaring hole, beane is certainly swinging big here in the draft, if JJ can't be had.
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1 hour ago, Beck Water said:
I actually think it may take pressure off Allen.
-In the talk piece I linked with Shady et al, one of the hosts (Acho?) made a big point of the pressure it puts on a QB when you have a top receiver demanding the ball, that it can influence the play calling and the QB's decision making. Shady disagreed. But it's a point: Josh has said he's a bit of a "people pleaser". Are some of the times when Josh was forcing the ball to Stef or to Gabe with poor results, influenced by his desire to "get them their bag"? Did it influence play selection? Was Diggs "don't listen to him" (referring to Dorsey) because Josh was trying to follow progressions and not look to Diggs first?
-Josh has said he doesn't like to "be an #######" and "call people out" about performance. IF it's true that Diggs was "going off" on Josh not only on the sidelines but in the locker room and sometimes practice to the point where it was detrimental to the team, does it take confliction away from Josh if he doesn't have that in his face and need to make that decision? Or was that "in his face" actually helping Josh? Maybe it helped initially in 2020 and 2021, but now it's a weight on him?
-It's been notable to me when Josh has talked about new receivers coming in, he's repeatedly mentioned "works hard, doesn't complain". Now Diggs has always been noted for working hard. But maybe there's been a lot of complaining, and that's been Josh's indirect way of calling that out (and not getting through)
I'm on my phone, so I hope I left the part I wanted lol...
10000% on board with this and I think that is what Beane was dancing around with yesterday in talking about Diggs being a fierce competitor and that whole comment....
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12 hours ago, RyanC883 said:
I won't mind a big move, bit draft wise I’m not sold that anyone other than Harrison is worth more of a move up than it takes for Thomas. I may need to watch some more Malki Nabers and Rome Odenzu highlights.
If the vikings win about 6 games again next season and we end up in the same spot, the 2 seconds could get you to around 21 or 23...
Trading for a wr and having to pay them, just loads the cap right back and aside from JJ, I'm not sure we go that route. A cost controlled 5 year contract and now relying on Allen to elevate the WR should be the expectation.
It's not like needing to get a young allen a reliable vet type wr when we traded for Stef.
We all know beane is aggressive, he values traits and is always willing to swing a trade up. I just feel that with missing out on Mcduffie and even WRS last year, he is not going to sit and be overly patient. He is going to go get his guy. Best way to shut the media and everyone up is to fill this huge whole in a big way. That cap money next offseason will go towards the D is my guess as of now....
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2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:
this is where I am at. modest move for Thomas, or Mitchell and some combo of Franklin, Legette, or Polk.
Beane is not going to do anything modest...this is a precursor to a bigger move
2 seconds next year for us will offset the loss of next years #1
To get a Rookie WR under a cost controlled 5 years over Josh's Prime = a big move and not a half-arsed modest one
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Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:
Seems fairly obvious that QB's will make up 4 of the first 5 picks. Minnesota with their ammo of 2 Round 1 Picks this year above ours and their need at QB is going to trade into 4 or 5 for the last of the 4 Top QB's with a high 1st Round Grade.
Pick 6 tends to have either MHJ or Nabers available in most mocks. I definitely like Odunze. But if we were to trade to 6 with the board going as most expect it to, Odunze would not be my pick there.
Every year the QBs are going to to be the top 1-4 picks and it never happens. OTs and the 2 "elite" WRs will go and I would wager 2 of the QBs will not go in the top 6...
If Nabers or Harrison is there I will be surprised...It's possible, but I am fine with any of those 3
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This is easy - Julio Jones it for Odunze with NYG at 6
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Perhaps Maddy Gladd was right on the hot mic, the declining production last year, being invisible in the playoffs, flipping out during the Cin loss, the tweets, wrong side of 30, an enormous cap hit coupled with McD being very concerned and scraping the toothpaste back into the tube after minicamp = it was time to move on in a heavy WR draft class and get the value while you can
These comments from BBB stand out...
“but Stef’s a very competitive guy and I wouldn’t want to change that for him. I don’t think that was something — when we acquired him, I think we were very aware of his competitive nature. …
“You don’t want to get into every reason you make every move,” Beane said. “It’s not one thing with any player. We’ve traded other players here, we’ve acquired other players, him being one. Everything you do, you think is the best decision. You weigh the pros and the cons of every decision like this. We don’t take it lightly. But you always make it in the best decision of the Bills. And that’s what we’re trying to do here.
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33 minutes ago, BBFL said:
Damn. That sucks. Just bought some tickets in a worse seating location. 🤦♂️
I got lucky on these ones and then my sister who I usually go with (wife doesn't go to games and has a bad back) is "worried" about the weather (she doesn't even drive - I do). So I am getting this out there to see if anyone needs them...
I have asked a couple friends if they want to go, but they haven't gotten a thumbs up from their wives yet...
I will eat the $700 for the tix before I sell them to Steelers fans.
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Selling my tickets, I have 2 Section 133 Row 30 Seats 17 & 18...these were bought from the bills, so no markups. Face value would be nice, but I can/will sell a bit cheaper
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1 minute ago, Virgil said:
Davis is fools gold to me. Looks the part, makes Josh think he can hit him for big plays, then drops, runs the wrong route, or the Db beats him to the ball.
I’m over him
had 1 game (13 seconds) and turned out to be a JAG
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Rumor: Bills trying aggressively to move up for a WR in round one
in The Stadium Wall
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School actually wants to trade back