YellowLinesandArmadillos

A cat with a restraining order on it for attacking an AVON lady among others. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CRA...-03-28-20-37-01 I have owned both cats and dogs, currently have a cat and a Lab/Pit mix. The dog is stubborn, dumb, but the sweetest dog I have ever met, except in dealing with other aggressive breeds. He doesn't start fights, but doesn't back down, so we have to be careful around other similar types. Really, all he wants to do is play, but some dogs have to work out the dominance thing and he is one. The above cat story I thought was hysterical....Avaon lady, but notice they aren't putting the cat down, but did arrest the owner.

No I am sure they are just confused as usual, thinking it was John, not Josh. That actually would be a shake up at the White House and change of direction.

No I am not, that is what I was saying that figuring it out is idiotic. That part I agree with, unfortunately, there are some things that don't make sense, except that you would probably have riots on your hands, not just 500,000 protesting.

Yep, but that would involve the two pronged approach that Fairfax is employing, a little too complicated for your simple solutions. I don't have any problem locking up the ring leaders and violent ones for the rest of their lives, forget about deporting them, they'll just get back in illegally or spread their crap elsewhere, but a one stop all solution doesn't work and that is what I get from your arguement. From what I understand MS13 is reaching out to white and asian gangs. It may feel better to do it that way, but costs more in prisons funds, especiallly when some of the kids can be saved becoming tax payers themselves. It just takes some critical thinking, time and sustained energy. Never a strong suit of Suburban America. Heck look at Bush's support for his war. I didn't support it, but a lot of folks did and now they are flipping and bailing ship. So maybe your solution is the only thing that does work...or send them off to Guantanamo and let the marines work them over, better yet send them to the Persian Gulf.

Ah man you just give no quarter...where is a grime reaper avatar when I need one, forget the goat.

Man this is an idiotic argument which gang is worse locally in VA, It just is that the Asian gangs seemed to be in the news more often, however it appears that both of us are right: http://www.fcnp.com/425/demograph.htm I saw more of this when I was there up until a year ago. http://www.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel03/release121903.htm

Yeh and for less hours. I am suprised that more folks that work at the WH don't just drop dead of heart failure. To many hours, rubber chicken and metal bars keeping you in with armed guards.

Got to do something with them, the companies that hire them don't, mostly construction. Hey the Gang problem is serious there, but it is either the liberal solution of reaching out and breaking the gangs up or the right wing solution of throwing them in jail or the suburban solution of turning your back and ignoring them until they break into your house. In Arlington and Alexandria it is the Asian Gangs that are the most violent, the latinos just have a couple of screwballs that go on rape binges on the bike trails. Either way it is going to cost you.

touche'...it applies to all sides of the aisle!

Yeh, I was wondering if anyone was going to catch that one and use it.

I always got the sense that he was more of an administrator the political kinda guy, does anyone know anything about his replacement?

Four, I took VA Bills quote and used it for a post on the immigration issue.

Psalms 82:3-4 : Defend the poor and fatherless; Do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4 Deliver the poor and needy; Free them from the hand of the wicked.

That part I agree with, but kinda of like Buffalo now, there system is so corrupt, short of a revolution or a serious viable good government group taking over, it isn't going to happen. We can wish for it, but all we can change is our side of the border, unless you propose invading.

Now there is an exaggeration on what they get out of it. And if our slime bag business folks didn't hire them in the first place there wouldn't be any incentive to enter the U.S. I am not denying that those problems exist and they should learn English, history and pay taxes, but until our immigrations laws and border entry is addressed, what you do, put them all in prison, that costs even more of my tax dollars? Quit the name calling and propose a real solution.

Oh I wished I lived in the black and white world you live in, would be a lot simpler, got to admit. But sitting in the front of the bus, going to a whites only restaruant, going on strike to protest unfair labor conditions etc. We can go down the list about when illegal activity is justified and when it is not.

Yep, that is my story, stickin to it, that is the way I was raised in my Church, one of those Jesus things. Especially since some idiotic Dept. of Immigration can't find its ass with both hands and a mirror and our immigration policy seems to be pretty arbritrary and capricious on who and when we let them in. Until those situations are rectified...calling them criminals makes no sense, having restrictions and fines place on them as part of a more coherent immigration strategy does and then if they break the law fine. Also, I am not including in this list the vultures on either side of the border taking every last dollar of these poor folks and sometimes making them the equivalent of indentured servants, they are criminals and should be locked up for a long time. If you can't understand that, I've got no hope for you.

Yes and so apparently is getting drunk in a bar in Texas, still doesn't mean treating both as criminals isn't idiotic.

Understood, the Kennedy/McCain bill actually does that, requires that they have paid even back taxes, learn English and something about the culture here. Not sure what else, but decriminalizes them if they follow these rules. Consumption tax is inherently regressive, but with all the tax breaks for the rich, that argument might not matter as long as it applies to Corporations too.

I don't have a problem with your solution in fact that is what the Senate did today....http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060328/ap_on_go_co/immigration. My problem is the law and order right and wrong analysis. Right and wrong for who when our system is screwed to begin with. Technically they are illegal, but folks use the term to justify making them felons. Economic insecurity doesn't justify asylum seekers into this country, I understand, but it doesn't rise to the level of a felony. Maybe something along the lines of a stiff speeding ticket. I know it is a matter of symantics, but the illegal label denegrates these folks and is used by folks justify their xenophobic attitudes. I like the Senate solution as a good base to start and it is close to your above post. P.S. Were not talking about folks with a lot of spare change, they can afford to buy off a few politicians or border folks and get in "legally." Your million dollar analogy doesn't work.

Two interesting points, Bush knew there would not be any weapons of mass destruction found before the war and both he and Blair thought this thing would be over quick and a new government installed fast. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/27/internat....html?th&emc=th

I think I would like to go back to the SW corner, down near the Arcachon Basin, near Cap Feret and the Dune de Pila. Beaches are show up dressed or not as you want and there a couple of old German Pill boxes being sucked into the dunes like something straight out of the Planet of the Apes. Pretty cool, went there on a bike trip after I graduated undergrad.

Now yere learnin, maybe we should allow you and your kind to stay in the US of A(sarcasm).

I probably shouldn't have used the probably racist term, got pissed by VA bills response to my original post, your right that was over the top, don't know him/her so I shouldn't make the judgement. On the illegal/legal issue I still don't understand the self-righteousness attitude in the debate. People are desperate to get here and make a better life for their families and because they feel for whatever reason/economic probably the most prevalent, to cross without proper documentation is the only way for them to get to the US. Now from our standpoint we need to find away to control this problem and at the very least document these folks. Because among them will be folks that we do not want here and it is messing up our labor supply and unduly taxing our governmental systems. But if it feels good to call them illegals to justify locking them up or sending them back I feel for you. In my opinion it denegrates and takes away from a rational response to a difficult human problem, not much different than the way the police treated the alchey's at the bar in TX. I don't disagree with some of things that need to be done about the situation, just think that we should treat these folks with some dignity while we are sending them back. The real scumbags are the illegal idiot businessmen that hire them.

I just regained some respect for you with this last post, finally a balance on target post. I think you just encapsulated the next campaign in a nut shell. Bib, any room in France?